Re: Help with vector logo
the last issue - one of those two shapes [the larger] is actually a line, so you need to make it a shape first with 'convert line to shape' on the arrange menu; then you can combine them in the usual way [eg: ctrl+1 ]
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handrawn
the last issue - one of those two shapes [the larger] is actually a line, so you need to make it a shape first with 'convert line to shape' on the arrange menu; then you can combine them in the usual way [eg: ctrl+1 ]
Instead, select the Shape Tool and press the tab Key.
Grab the end point and set to Line & Cusp (press LZ).
Now press the Enter key to close the shape(s).
Finally, select No Fill.
Since the above I've had a play and resized the page to 55" wide and set the Logo to just under 44".
I added an Inner Contour as mainly 0.18" and a Gold and Black contour for the lettering
I did tweak the J, apostrophe and F.
The J has a Glow Shadow. The F inner notch is now on its side.
The sign without contouring is underneath.
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Acorn
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I cheated and ran the original logo through vectorizer.ai. Attached are the result.
I removed the white background on the second one by CTRL clicking the white bits and deleting.
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Re: Help with vector logo
have to say acorn, your way would take me more time, especially as I have set up a shortcut key for convert line to shape ;)
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handrawn
have to say acorn, your way would take me more time, especially as I have set up a shortcut key for convert line to shape ;)
handrawn, when you convert a Line to a Shape, it comes with baggage.
If it is a thin line, you effectively double the number of nodes and may not notice as they are paired very close together. Delete one and suddenly an area appears.
For a thicker Line the nodes of a near complete convex object are more separated, almost inner and outer. You still cannot fill in the middle even if you add a piece and Add Shapes.
You have a doughnut arrangement with a shape with no Line width so things do get very messy.
If another looks at an outlined shape, they will expect to be able to easily fill it in and add a node or bend an edge. Your approach scuppers all these.
Acorn
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That's how I would have done it myself.
Hope it could be helpfull.
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Marco D
Useful if you have the font. OP gave us the image from a business card scan.
Acorn
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mis-posted will try again idc
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Acorn
handrawn, when you convert a Line to a Shape, it comes with baggage.
If it is a thin line, you effectively double the number of nodes and may not notice as they are paired very close together. Delete one and suddenly an area appears.
For a thicker Line the nodes of a near complete convex object are more separated, almost inner and outer. You still cannot fill in the middle even if you add a piece and Add Shapes.
You have a doughnut arrangement with a shape with no Line width so things do get very messy.
If another looks at an outlined shape, they will expect to be able to easily fill it in and add a node or bend an edge. Your approach scuppers all these.
Acorn
thats as may be, but my method does rather assume you know what you are doing, as indeed does yours
my method joins the two shapes - your's does not, it converts an open line into a closed shape; this will work fine in this instance [provided you remove the leftover shape] bur may not in other situations, without more work
granted your way may be a better default approach, but shortcuts can be useful if they do the job...
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I want to thank everyone for your help and suggestions. I really like your rendition Acorn, but I'm not sure if I want that much detail. Really does stand out though. I went on a font finder sight, and there are fonts that are very close to the original-what I've looked at so far have to be paid for. As you say then Marco's Idea would be good for the J, but the F I think needs a little more character. I did use Handrawn's suggestion to get the right side of the J into one shape, just because I understood it better.
Nancy
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I think you did a good job, Nancy.
Just so ya know, the font is Poppl-Pontifex Medium Condensed.
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Nancy, I think I found your free font: https://www.ffonts.net/OPTIPeach-EtD....font.download
Here is my construction using it: Attachment 134238
Acorn
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Acorn
Useful if you have the font. OP gave us the image from a business card scan.
Acorn
I searched for the font and found one that was very similar to use in the way I showed. It only took a few minutes, and I did it to show another way to achieve the goal requested by Yellowbird. :)
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yellowbird
I want to thank everyone for your help and suggestions. I really like your rendition Acorn, but I'm not sure if I want that much detail. Really does stand out though. I went on a font finder sight, and there are fonts that are very close to the original-what I've looked at so far have to be paid for. As you say then Marco's Idea would be good for the J, but the F I think needs a little more character. I did use Handrawn's suggestion to get the right side of the J into one shape, just because I understood it better.
Nancy
You are right about the F, but actually I was focusing my attention on a simple method to make the part with the J because I thought that was the part for which you had requested suggestions. :)
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Acorn
For your reading pleasure...
http://luc.devroye.org/fonts-27506.html
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mwenz
Thank you. Are you offering advice that the Font is stolen, bogus or just badly designed?
If any of these, is not the onus on the people offering them for free, not to perpetuate a wrong?
I would have preferred straight over cryptic or mysterious.
Acorn
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Acorn
Thank you. Are you offering advice that the Font is stolen, bogus or just badly designed?
If any of these, is not the onus on the people offering them for free, not to perpetuate a wrong?
I would have preferred straight over cryptic or mysterious.
Acorn
I would prefer people draw their own conclusions from that, and other, links concerning Castcraft/Opti fonts.
But no. The onus is on the end user. Ignorance and all that not being an excuse.
I can download cracked Xara software for free, without paying anyone. Tell me this. Who's at fault in the eyes of Xara, the law, my neighbor's cat: Me, the end user or the website offering stolen software?
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mwenz
I would prefer people draw their own conclusions from that, and other, links concerning Castcraft/Opti fonts.
But no. The onus is on the end user. Ignorance and all that not being an excuse.
I can download cracked Xara software for free, without paying anyone. Tell me this. Who's at fault in the eyes of Xara, the law, my neighbor's cat: Me, the end user or the website offering stolen software?
I do hope your neighbour is not Herr Erwin Schrödinger because someone keeps trying to poison his cat.
In law, there has to be intent. So if you crack Xara's stuff, you deserve censure. A right-minded citizen might warn ahead around OPTI and font theft. Those who knowingly sell in breach of copyright, even free, are culpable of misrepresentation. Else one might now have to be wary of listening to any Internet music stations, lest they have failed to pay for the right; I doubt if the authorities come knocking doors of their listeners, shouting "Cover your ears!"
Best we take this up in the Off-Topic Chat forum.
Acorn
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before you do can I just jump in and say [in uk at least] antyone earning money from cracked software is guilty of fraud; anyone offering it for free, breach of copyright unless it is allowed in the EULA; fonts probably too
as a user you are expected to take reasonable care to avoid such, and if it is discovered that you are, to immediately 'cease-and-desist'; if you knew all along you might be culpable, it would depend on circumstances...
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mwenz
I think you did a good job, Nancy.
I agree :)
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mwenz
I think you did a good job, Nancy.
Just so ya know, the font is Poppl-Pontifex Medium Condensed.
Thank you - I really appreciate it.
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Thank you - I really appreciate it.
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Acorn
Hi Acorn, certainly looks like the font. When I enlarge the letters, they aren't all perfect either. Like mine, they are not all exactly the same height or aligned top or/and bottom exactly etc. So because of legality issues discussed here I could just stick with my version. I am a little indecisive, because if I found a pay for version for say $30, I would have the entire series of letters. The way you created the shapes for the J, is more accurate, and does have the slotting for the top of the J - I can't decide which I like better. Your cutout triangles in the F are larger and look better, and now I can't decide if I like the cutout in the left straight part with the little triangle cutout you made or or leaving it straight better. Thank you for for providing these options.
Nancy
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Marco D
You are right about the F, but actually I was focusing my attention on a simple method to make the part with the J because I thought that was the part for which you had requested suggestions. :)
Thank you for suggestions for the J and Finding a font. Ignore my comment on the F, some logo guidelines would recommend it that way.
Nancy
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yellowbird
Hi Acorn, certainly looks like the font. When I enlarge the letters, they aren't all perfect either. Like mine, they are not all exactly the same height or aligned top or/and bottom exactly etc. So because of legality issues discussed here I could just stick with my version. I am a little indecisive, because if I found a pay for version for say $30, I would have the entire series of letters. The way you created the shapes for the J, is more accurate, and does have the slotting for the top of the J - I can't decide which I like better. Your cutout triangles in the F are larger and look better, and now I can't decide if I like the cutout in the left straight part with the little triangle cutout you made or or leaving it straight better. Thank you for for providing these options.
Nancy
Nancy, it has been a learning curve for all of us. Your design is very good as is so use that. When I tried the font, I had to kern, track and baseline shift almost every letter to get things lined up.
Using inset and outset contours is a very powerful tool.
Should you want to use the Font, do convert to Editable Shapes and ungroup twice. You then have a separate shape for each gylph.
The F then becomes a White shape over the black letter F. You can then Slice Shapes to get a cut-out.
Apologies for offering so many choices.
Acorn
