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I have Xara Web Designer Premium 17 and Xara Designer Pro X 16. Both of them are now incapable of updating as they haven't been renewed. I really would like to add the webp format for my images as I have many and the space saving should be great. I have options to update both versions when I open them up but do they both have webp as part of the update, and which version is superior to the other anyway as I only want to update one of them.
Neither are covered yet through Magix. XDPX is the Daddy of XWDP so if I was going for one I would go for XDPX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnzer
However, for the same price as an XDPX Magix Upgrade, you can get Xara Pro+ by using the LIFETIME coupon offer for almost the same charge.
This is a subscription and Pro+ is XDPX but many updates ahead.
If at the end of the year's subscription you want to revert back to Magix, I am sure WebP will be available by then.
Fuller details here: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...415#post636415.
Acorn
No point in updating then really. I guess there are other useful things in the update over what I already have but it's webp that I'm needing. I can work with both versions already. The funny thing is that I can use things from one version then apply them to the other with a copy and paste. Such as new site templates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
Why is that funny. One has a subset of the other but both use the same core code. XDPX is the one that you should savour.
Acorn
VERY VERY over simplified ...
Xara Designer Pro - Has everything
Xara Photo and Graphic Designer is a cutdown version of Xara Designer Pro with only the photo/drawing tools.
Xara Web Designer is a cutdown version of Xara Designer Pro with only the web design tools.
I have an email from Xara saying WebDesigner Pro + will support webp files from April 22nd. It then says "With the release of Web Core Vitals in May 2021, loading speed will be even MORE important for SEO." So it looks as if May will be the date for support of webp rather than 22nd April, or perhaps when the need for it becomes more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
Is it being included in any new upgrade right now or would it be necessary to buy a complete new program.
I downloaded a trial version of WDP+ and tried to import a webp file and it says it doesn't support that format. Very confusing.....
Also, when I click the UPGRADE on the trial version it gives prices in $'s but the same figure is then shown exactly the same when I change to £'s. Discrimination or what?
Maybe it would be less expensive to take another trial for another email address and do all the downloads etc via a VPN.
Web Core Vitals is a description of Google's updated approach to SEO (among broader recommendations) - Google Web Core Vitals.Quote:
I have an email from Xara saying Web Designer Pro + will support WebP files from April 22nd. It then says "With the release of Web Core Vitals in May 2021, loading speed will be even MORE important for SEO." So it looks as if May will be the date for support of WebP rather than 22nd April, or perhaps when the need for it becomes more important.
Xara's support for WebP is long overdue and like most Xara enhancements it will appear in Web Designer Pro+ first; it will eventually (we trust) filter down into Web Designer Premium and Web Designer Pro (the latter two being distributed by Magix though authored by Xara).
WebP is important, but if your site is not 'mobile friendly' and does not have an SSL certificate (gives you https), I'd be making sure these issues were addressed too.
A good starting point is to 'inspect' your site in a Chrome Browser (right click on the page and pick inspect); then run the Google 'Lighthouse' test. It's a very useful part of the Developer Tools - when you've achieved 4 GREEN circles you're on the right track.
Gary
WebP is supported in two way: (1) You can explicitly Export WebP for any shapes; (2) your website will render WebP over PNG/JPEG if the viewer's browser can handle them (automatically).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnzer
What is not yet available is the Import of WebP images but Xara has stated this is coming soon.
So, with Xara Pro+, WebP rendering has arrived and will assist in overall performance benefit (as detailed by @Initiostar above).
Yes, both Xara and Magix (and many others) abuse the relative exchange rates, seemingly with impunity.
One day, some regulator will nail them all and we will get a few drachmas back.
Meantime, when paying through your card, you could check to see it that handles foreign currencies more cheaply.
I think you have failied to fully understand the difference between the Magix and Xara direct offerings.
WebP is currently only with Xara Pro+, which is a subscription.
You are automatically upgraded during the subscription.
Magix's XDPX is a way behind. You will get WebP when Magix decides.
It will wait until the majority of its customers will need to renew their Update Service.
Neither route requires you to purchase an new program.
Finally, why would you even consider abusing the Xara/Magix trials by hiding behind different email addresses and VPN?
If you are a hobbyist then £10/m is cheap for a hobby. If you are a website builder, you recoup your Xara cost in one professional sale.
Xara is even offering an Affiliate route at 20% back to you for each referral.
Acorn
P.S. There is no beast called " WebDesigner Pro +".
OK then. I paid for the Xara Pro+ today. As you say, the price isn't over the top for the things I get.
Just another webp question though. I do have some files of that nature and as expected from the explanation I can't drag and drop them onto a page.
So, the rendering is done by Xara from jpeg or png? How does that impact on a sites Google scrutiny? If anyone's browser can't handle webp the page loading will take longer when it's rich in images. It's that very thing I want to avoid. I know there are dozens of things that can impact page speed but I want to nail this on the head. If Xara has the option to render, then surely it must have duplicate images in the file system, or is the rendering done at time of page load and if so then that must also surely slow page opening thus removing the advantage of small image file size.
Finally, can you point me to a site where webp images are shown in webp for supported browsers so I can compare them to a non supported browser.
The funny thing is that even the images on Xara's own website show as png's so perhaps they are blowing a lot of smoke on website rendering. Or maybe they aren't using Xara Pro+ themselves????
That's correct. :)Quote:
Or maybe they aren't using Xara Pro+ themselves????
Correct.Quote:
So, the rendering is done by Xara from jpeg or png?
When you publish the site Xara creates 4 images for each image. Example below:Quote:
If anyone's browser can't handle webp the page loading will take longer when it's rich in images. It's that very thing I want to avoid. I know there are dozens of things that can impact page speed but I want to nail this on the head. If Xara has the option to render, then surely it must have duplicate images in the file system, or is the rendering done at time of page load and if so then that must also surely slow page opening thus removing the advantage of small image file size.
The browser will down-load the most relevant one depending on visitors machine & browser.
Google will see you have maximised images and not mark you down for this.
@Lynnzer, there is a difference between what is uploaded and what is rendered by a browser.
WebP/PNG or WebP/JPG pairings are the same as image/ Retina. All are uploaded but when a page is rendered, code only fetches the right things. Google will just see WebPs.
Acorn
Ah, I think I'm getting it at last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
HOWEVER one FINAL question - I take it that a site which is uploaded from the Xara Pro+ via ftp to my own domain address isn't affected. Or is the rendering carried out only on a Xara hosted site?
I know.... dumb as hell......
The Export and FTP is identical regardless of the end location.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnzer
i have a pages that is index.htm
If I replace that with /index_htm_files/xr_files.txt, I can see its manifest:
PNG, WebP & Retina (@2x)Quote:
index_htm_files
index.htm
index_htm_files/6.png
index_htm_files/6@2x.png
index_htm_files/6.webp
index_htm_files/6@2x.webp
Acorn
Got it. I was going to open all my images in Photoshop and save them as webp files for insertion (eventually when webp imports are allowed) to my site. The rendering is dead easy as it requires no actual work from me. So what I'm going to do now it to open my site constructed with Web Designer Premium in the new Pro+. Then I'll upload it to my domain and it should then have webp files inserted automatically. Magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
I'll know for certain in the next hour or so.
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Well that didn't work Nowt there but JPG's and png files still. I'll have a think about it and maybe knock up another simple site to annex on my current one just to see if it works for a new site
Lynnzer, did you check/tick the Include WebP images in the Web Properties / Website tab in Xara Designer Pro+?
Ah !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
Will do it again
Clicked and uploading right now.
I can see webp files being exported so all seems fine. Thanks guys n gals
;)
Well that didn't go well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
The webp files all got loaded alongside the jpg's and png's and at a hell of a file space saving too.
However the site was screwed up with almost no images showing, just their placeholders. I could click on one of the placeholders and bring up the linked larger image, but even the image that was part of the menu was missing.
I tried it in 4 browsers, each with the cache deleted. No better so for now I've reloaded the site without the webp and things work again.
I'll spend more time on this over the weekend but salmon fishing is next on my agenda
Oh dear! It would help if you could attach your .xar file or part there of so we can see what's happening.
Good fishing!
OK. I'll export to file on my computer though, and send the xar over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
5:30am. Sun is shining, Rain into the river Wear yesterday. Fish on the move. I can only hope.
Oh, the site I'm trying to work with is www.motherofthebrideoutfits.co
It's a bit of a mess already which is why I'm looking to overhaul it with a new template, tidy up links, text, images etc. However as I have an almost identical site I can swap and change things freely and even mess up until I work things out. I know the video clips are eating up lots of download time so that's going to be addressed in my revision.
Ah, I tried it again and it's looking OK, I think, on 1st inspection anyway. If I copy an image location from any page then open it in a browser it is shown as webp so that works well.
Now to do a lot more tidying up or perhaps do a complete rehash of the whole site.
Thanks for your help everyone. Oh, is there a way to do something similar images using webp for video clips to reduce the file size too? Perhaps converting to html5 but does Xara support that?
Videos can be saved as WebM and accessed by your xara design through a placeholder. HTML5 is not a codec but if you want to play WebM then many browsers will accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnzer
The code at its simplest is <video src="index_htm_files\video.webm" controls></video>.
There is a slight saving over MP4 but you still have to offer MP4 as a fallback for (mobile) browsers like Safari:
AcornQuote:
<video width="320" height="640" controls>
<source src="index_htm_files\video.webm" type="video/webm">
<source src="index_htm_files\video.mp4" type="video/mp4">
Your browser does not support the video tag
</video>
Thanks Acorn. Is there some way to just click a box for the WeM, similar for WebpQuote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
No. I would have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnzer
Acorn
That's what I thought. For the meagre saving I'll stick with mp4.
Now, here's another tedious thing, and I know I asked this same question somewhere in the distant past, but you'll see from the collection pages such as this one that there are loads of images. I can manoeuvre each one to enlarge, as it currently does but would really prefer a gallery of sorts such as a large frame to show any chosen style, then smaller images below. The one I like the look of is the Cloud Tint Zoom Gallery, or the same without the zoom. However it doesn't work for more than 4 images. What other option would do the trick?
Lynnzer, there is nothing else I know of so I just built this as a demonstrator: Attachment 129546
Let me kno what you think.
Acorn
Glad you made that update. Really is the way to go. Multiple updates regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnzer
-W
I rather have solid updates rather than multiple regular updates to getting things corrected. Is that not the case (people who are on the plus?)
pro+ has regular updates - magix does not - that is the way I look at it... you pay for the 'premium service' if you like
but that said, xara is still introducing issues with their updates, pita
Is this the pita you talking about?
kebab !
extra hot chilli sauce and only to be eaten from a takeaway after drinking at least eight pints in the last three hours at the pub .. oh how I miss them......>:)