version 18 is too slow compared to version 17, not usable for me

i often have to work with files from autocad.
version 18 ist not usable anymore.

for example try change the line color to black.
version 17 slow but ok.
version 18 after serevral minutes i quit xara.

Attachment 129239

v17 - 30 seconds for any change.
v18 & v21 much worse.

Reinhard, you do have over 6,000 objects in play and the XDAs have repeatedly failed at scale for large numbers of page in DTP, too many Repeating Groups in Web and here in a large drawing.

Acorn

Hey Acron,

thx four your replay.

i do not understand exactly what you mean with
"XDAs have repeatedly failed at scale for large numbers of page in DTP, too many Repeating Groups in Web and here in a large drawing."

but first i have weekend!
cold beer is waiting.

cheerz
reinhard

Sorry Reinhard, I have corrected a small typo in my OP and your Reply.

I was saying that the XDAs die a slow death, if you have too many pages (DTP, Web, Variants), repeating objects or shapes.
My favourite pastime is watching the Web Properties > Link >Link to web input box vanish when the XDA is traversing its internal heaps, a sign that the XDA has reached its limit.

Acorn

Hi,

We have accidentally introduced an unwanted "order of complexity" issue with large groups in the Selector tool.

This will be fixed in a patch soon.

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Originally Posted by PhilM

Hi,
We have accidentally introduced a unwanted "order of complexity issue" with large groups in the Selector tool.
This will be fixed in a patch soon.

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Thank you for letting us all know.

Does this also address the other mentions of large numbers pages and repeating objects?

Acorn

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Originally Posted by Acorn

Thank you for letting us all know.

Does this also address the other mentions of large numbers pages and repeating objects?

Acorn

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No, this is a specific problem in the Selector tool.

Have the issues with large documents and repeating objects been reported elsewhere? What is the scenario?

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Originally Posted by PhilM

No, this is a specific problem in the Selector tool.
Have the issues with large documents and repeating objects been reported elsewhere? What is the scenario?

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I swear I bashed my gums over this with Xara (& Cloud) back in July last year.
I was no willing to upload a 56MB files during the middle of a frustrating development period.

My workaround was to delete all Repeating Group while working on the design and re-apply prior to a re-issue.
My second workaround was to fall back to XWDPv15.0 as my client had that and reported fewer timing problems.

Basically, the selection of any shape would freeze the application for 15+ seconds.
The MS Windows Ring of Ouroboros would spin for 15+ seconds; the Web Properties > Link > Link to box would vanish; the monitor screen would go black; the application would jump behind other open windows.
Each and every click.

I have cut out all the large images and the file size is now 3MB. The document has 107 web pages and one Variant.
In Xara Pro+ (Xara Designer Pro+ 21.0.0.61527 SL x64 Mar 9 2021), the same is still occurring. [Pro+ is referred to as Xara Designer Pro+ 18 18.0.0.61527 in File > Document History > History tab]

UPDATE: I tried a PM with Attachment but lost it - I will email your directly.

UPDATED UPDATE: I have just created a test file that all can play with: Attachment 129251
The delay in this simply Conventional Website is around 3 seconds a click, a move, a jump. same applied - 3 seconds - for a single letter change in the text!
Open the Web Properties dialog and watch the Link Tab and the Link to Box.

Consider the frustration when this telescopes out to 15+ seconds.

Acorn

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Originally Posted by PhilM

Hi,

We have accidentally introduced an unwanted "order of complexity" issue with large groups in the Selector tool.

This will be fixed in a patch soon.

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Hi,
will i read here somewhere when the fix will be availble?

regards
reinhard

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Originally Posted by rsrsrs

Hi,
will i read here somewhere when the fix will be availble?
regards
reinhard

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Reinhard, I had a PM back from PhilM advising that there are a number of separate issues resulting in the slowness and that they are being worked on.

Acorn

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Originally Posted by Acorn

Reinhard, I had a PM back from PhilM advising that there are a number of separate issues resulting in the slowness and that they are being worked on.

Acorn

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Hi,
oh i have no doubt that they are working hard on it. i'm just afraid i'll find out too late when i can reinstall version 18 with the update.
regards
reinhard

Hi there,

Apologies, this has been fixed and is awaiting deployment to the V18 versions when the next update is due. I believe this has been deployed already to DP+ in the scheduled release cycle, you can try opening your doc there and see if your still seeing the issues? https://www.xara.com/pro-plus-download/

Kind Regards
Rob

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Originally Posted by Rob-Xar

Hi there,
Apologies, this has been fixed and is awaiting deployment to the V18 versions when the next update is due. I believe this has been deployed already to DP+ in the scheduled release cycle, you can try opening your doc there and see if your still seeing the issues? https://www.xara.com/pro-plus-download/
Kind Regards Rob

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Thank you Rob, I have run Xara Pro+ against Test 01.xar and loading, selection of the Group and changing the Line colour to black each took around 10 seconds.
In context, this is updating 6,000 objects.

Acorn

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Originally Posted by Rob-Xar

Apologies, this has been fixed and is awaiting deployment to the V18 versions when the next update is due.

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When is the next update due? ... with Magix's current record, this could be up to 9 months, which really doesn't help ...

The latest update from xara.com (21.1) contains a fix for the main problem with Reinhard's document.
https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...e-21-0-0-61527

(Sadly this fix is not mentioned in the release notes...)

Further performance improvements are being made to the selection and de-selection of large groups. They should appear in the next release.

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Originally Posted by PhilM

The latest update from xara.com (21.1) contains a fix for the main problem with Reinhard's document.
https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...e-21-0-0-61527
(Sadly this fix is not mentioned in the release notes...)
Further performance improvements are being made to the selection and de-selection of large groups. They should appear in the next release.

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Phil, that is of interest to me so thank you for advising.

You should note the OP was for XDPXv18 and not Xara Pro+, which is where your Link goes to.

Acorn

The XDP release cycle is controlled by Magix. I'm not sure when the next one is scheduled but the fixes will obviously be released in that product too.

Pro+ is under our (Xara's) control, we are able to make more frequent updates and I know when they happen so that's all I can report on reliably.

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Originally Posted by PhilM

The XDP release cycle is controlled by Magix. I'm not sure when the next one is scheduled but the fixes will obviously be released in that product too.
Pro+ is under our (Xara's) control, we are able to make more frequent updates and I know when they happen so that's all I can report on reliably.

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I appreciate that. The issue is others will read this update and think is out there or be annoyed they aren't getting the same service form Magix.

I have both XDPXv18 and Xara Pro+/Cloud+ and I am 100% behind the Xara+ brand. One true application rather than the fragmented Magix offerings.

Others have a distrust of a Subscription model but I am far happier without Magix's inertia and nag screens.
On the Subscription, the continuing offer of 50% off with the LIFETIME coupon is great.

A XDPX hobbyist is then on equal footing with an Update Service renewal versus the Subscription.

Acorn

I have and still facing the same nightmare. My clients site is 28 pages, Yes each one is long and has pictures but the pictures are optimized to the extend that the client is happy and they do not complain about blurriness. For minor changes on a page, I have to wait minimum 10 minutes for the process then the upload happens. My internet is 400Mbps and I have no problem uploading. My cpu has 4 cores and only one of them gets fully utilized by Xara. I have plenty of DDR3 Ram 8M and SSD hardrive. I have asked xara and others to only output one page that is changed but I believe Acorn mentioned that everything gets renumbered again. Also naming a bullet and making sure it is named has issues, meaning if you us a lot of custom bullets you will have multiple files each numbered again. And the list goes on and on. I simply have given up. Oh and all this with version 17, I am not upgrading for a while.

As far a s i´know the last good software from Magix was MusicMaker, about 20 years ago.

Any chance to switch frome Magix back to Xara, without buying again?

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As far a s i´know the last good software from Magix was MusicMaker, about 20 years ago.
Any chance to switch frome Magix back to Xara, without buying again?

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rs³, the only downside, some believe, is it would be a switch from a bad subscription model to another one.

Through Magix, you get to keep your licensed products. After expiry of the Update Service, this is still true but you lose all on-line assets and the limited Magix support there is.
Before any switch to Xara, you must Download All (right-click on the) Blue folders in the Local Designs Gallery. This puts GBs of templates into your local cache so the loss of on-line is not really then a problem.

You next decision is whether you actually need to upgrade your XDA each and every year.
If you do you get a new licence for the version on the date you register it.
Any updates in the year you must treat as vapourware as there is no guarantee that a change to the OS, device or a an XDA re-install will allow the updated components, application or assets, to be retained.
At some point, you will revert to that registered version.

You decide to take a punt with Xara Cloud+/Xara Pro+. This is effectively a drop-in replacement for XDPX. Most Magix features like EXIF and the Xara Slideshow are gone. You still have a Magix installed version for these although you cannot update the Slideshow; there are far better solutions available for free elsewhere.
Again, there are no XWd or WDP or XP&GD sub-versions available. You get the Xara powerhouse that covers all of them. At a cost.

The cost is, if the use the LIFETIME coupon, almost identical to the cost of an Magix XDPX renewal.

It is a subscription. At the end of the year, you can buy back into Magix with a renewal of the Update Service or re-subscribe with Xara.
At the end of the subscription, you do not have Cloud+ or XPro+ access. You can use a limited, free Cloud account and you can use an old Magix version or renew with Magix.
Regression may be slightly worse as Xara delivers more updates and more frequently so even if you buy back into Magix, there may be a lag until all the vital features/gizmos (very few to be honest) reappear.

While the LIFETIME offer is open, I truly see no benefit in staying with Magix.

If you Magix renew faithfully, it is as cheap to switch.
If you don't renew frequently, switch for a year and revert to your old Magix version until you feel the urge to upgrade.

Finally, email Xara and ask for a negotiation against your remaining Update Service.

My XDPXv18 runs out in June, yet I have no desire to renew and will stick with my Pro+ until I no longer need it for work.

Acorn

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Originally Posted by Acorn

rs³, the only downside, some belie
If you

While the LIFETIME offer is open, I truly see no benefit in staying with Magix.

Acorn

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Where do i find the "LIFETIME offer" ?

or when what why ... is this?

regard
reinhard

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Originally Posted by rsrsrs

Where do i find the "LIFETIME offer" ?

or when what why ... is this?

regard
reinhard

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Reinhard, when you place your order, there should be a discount box. Type in LIFETIME and you get a 50% discount for as long as you subscribe.

Acorn

Attachment 129521

this is not funny.
i think i have to buy the Xara pro+ version.

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Originally Posted by Acorn

I swear I bashed my gums over this with Xara (& Cloud) back in July last year.
I was no willing to upload a 56MB files during the middle of a frustrating development period.

My workaround was to delete all Repeating Group while working on the design and re-apply prior to a re-issue.
My second workaround was to fall back to XWDPv15.0 as my client had that and reported fewer timing problems.

Basically, the selection of any shape would freeze the application for 15+ seconds.
The MS Windows Ring of Ouroboros would spin for 15+ seconds; the Web Properties > Link > Link to box would vanish; the monitor screen would go black; the application would jump behind other open windows.
Each and every click.

I have cut out all the large images and the file size is now 3MB. The document has 107 web pages and one Variant.
In Xara Pro+ (Xara Designer Pro+ 21.0.0.61527 SL x64 Mar 9 2021), the same is still occurring. [Pro+ is referred to as Xara Designer Pro+ 18 18.0.0.61527 in File > Document History > History tab]

UPDATE: I tried a PM with Attachment but lost it - I will email your directly.

UPDATED UPDATE: I have just created a test file that all can play with: Attachment 129251
The delay in this simply Conventional Website is around 3 seconds a click, a move, a jump. same applied - 3 seconds - for a single letter change in the text!
Open the Web Properties dialog and watch the Link Tab and the Link to Box.

Consider the frustration when this telescopes out to 15+ seconds.

Acorn

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Hello, I just upgraded to the latest Xara Designer Pro X and I am having the same problem. The selection of any shape freezes the application for 15+ seconds. The application is SO SLUGGISH that I am unable to effectively get my work done. What happened? It is currently late September 2021... is there any fix or update for this??? :-O

see here: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...548#post641548

rsrsrs/acorn's test files are ok for me in version 18.5

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Originally Posted by msheesha

Hello, I just upgraded to the latest Xara Designer Pro X and I am having the same problem. The selection of any shape freezes the application for 15+ seconds. The application is SO SLUGGISH that I am unable to effectively get my work done. What happened? It is currently late September 2021... is there any fix or update for this??? :-O

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msheesha, I am not having any problems with Xara Pro+v20.5. XDPXv18.5 is at an almost identical build.

I suggest you try my test file above and next Run as administrator the once and then check against my test file.
That might clear things up for you.

Acorn

Hello Acorn,

Thank you for responding to my post. I tried your test file and it was not sluggish. I am wondering why I am encountering such extreme sluggishness. Since upgrading to 18.5, I started working on only one new website project. The template I am working with I downloaded directly from the XARA Content Catalog. It is the one-page website template called "Porfolio". Could that be the reason for such slowness? Does anyone else have this experience with that template or any other XARA website templates in general? Just trying to solve this problem

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by msheesha

Hello Acorn,
Thank you for responding to my post. I tried your test file and it was not sluggish. I am wondering why I am encountering such extreme sluggishness. Since upgrading to 18.5, I started working on only one new website project. The template I am working with I downloaded directly from the XARA Content Catalog. It is the one-page website template called "Porfolio". Could that be the reason for such slowness? Does anyone else have this experience with that template or any other XARA website templates in general? Just trying to solve this problem Thank you!

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msheesha, I have download and edited Portfolio in XPro+v21.5 with no delays or issues.

Sorry, it is a negative.

Acorn

Hi Acorn!

Thank you SO much for your amazingly fast response time to my post! I really appreciate that!:) I don't know what happened but, after loading and exiting your test file, somehow XARA is no longer sluggish. I also deleted and then undeleted 75% of the website. Don't know what fixed it but it's miraculously back to normal after days of impossibly sluggish behavior. Phew! Thanks again!

i bought the also XPro+ Version

No time to wait.

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Originally Posted by msheesha

Hi Acorn!
Thank you SO much for your amazingly fast response time to my post! I really appreciate that!:) I don't know what happened but, after loading and exiting your test file, somehow XARA is no longer sluggish. I also deleted and then undeleted 75% of the website. Don't know what fixed it but it's miraculously back to normal after days of impossibly sluggish behavior. Phew! Thanks again!

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Acorn Power to the rescue.
If you have a second device do download XDPX to it (you are allowed) so you have a fall-back.

Acorn

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Originally Posted by msheesha

Hi Acorn!

Thank you SO much for your amazingly fast response time to my post! I really appreciate that!:) I don't know what happened but, after loading and exiting your test file, somehow XARA is no longer sluggish. I also deleted and then undeleted 75% of the website. Don't know what fixed it but it's miraculously back to normal after days of impossibly sluggish behavior. Phew! Thanks again!

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Hello,

I spoke to soon. The sluggishness has returned. I have a fast computer and this is not happening with any other programs. Does anyone have any idea as to why XARA 18.5 is performing so sluggishly. I have to wait for the program to finish processing EVERY time I perform any action. I am trying to create a website with the one-page template "Portfolio". I am growing weary and stressing out because I have a deadline for my graduate school project I need to complete. Any ideas?

has anyone mentione right-click the program and run as administrator which is sometimes needed to complete the installation correctly - you only need to do that once

Hello handrawn,

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I had not "run as administrator" since installation. I went ahead did as you suggested. It seems the program is running at a regular speed now. I hope this holds up. Thanks again for your input! :)

lets hope it does

if you still get problems then posting up here a .XAR [or .WEB] file that you are having the problems in would mean we could look at it and see if there is an issue in the file itself

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Originally Posted by Acorn

msheesha, I am not having any problems with Xara Pro+v20.5. XDPXv18.5 is at an almost identical build.
I suggest you try my test file above and next Run as administrator the once and then check against my test file.
That might clear things up for you.
Acorn

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Originally Posted by handrawn

has anyone mentione right-click the program and run as administrator which is sometimes needed to complete the installation correctly - you only need to do that once

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Originally Posted by msheesha

Hello handrawn,
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I had not "run as administrator" since installation. I went ahead did as you suggested. It seems the program is running at a regular speed now. I hope this holds up. Thanks again for your input! :)

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Acorn Power calling! It always helps to read the help.

Glad you and your Project are back on track.

Acorn

;)

just been reminded of something that may be relevant

for quite a while now, maybe forever I can't remember for sure but i think not, the default when you open a xara document is for 'snap to objetcs' to be active [the magnet icon on the top toolbar]

I was ctrl+selecting a shape inside a group of 55 shapes to move it one side

with snap to objects active this took 7 seconds during which i could see the guides appear on the screen in succession as the program worked out relative positioning to the other objects
with snap to objects off the shape moved with the cursor in real time...

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Originally Posted by handrawn

just been reminded of something that may be relevant
for quite a while now, maybe forever I can't remember for sure but i think not, the default when you open a xara document is for 'snap to objetcs' to be active [the magnet icon on the top toolbar]
I was ctrl+selecting a shape inside a group of 55 shapes to move it one side
with snap to objects active this took 7 seconds during which i could see the guides appear on the screen in succession as the program worked out relative positioning to the other objects
with snap to objects off the shape moved with the cursor in real time...

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Good suggestion.

I tried with 140 blobs and experienced no delay.

So I embellished the test with adding Links, Repeat across pages & Repel text.
Cloned out 20 pages.
No real delays.

The best check for spotting delays is to have the Web Properties > Link dialog open and watch the Link to: box vanish and reappear when performing some operation.

I used to get deadly performaance when dealing with Xara NavBars across a 100 pages.
One reason i dropped them.

Acorn