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Just a wee bit of his talent would do me fine Egg. He is a Master of his art.
Stygg
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Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
Feel free to start your journey.
https://sketchbookskool.com/?gclid=E...SAAEgI_MPD_BwE
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Originally Posted by stygg2003
I like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by pauland
A person I looked up to in the deign/layout biz once told me that art is the result of practice and patience in practice is its fuel. Or something like that. It's been too long to remember.
you also need vision
it is no good practicing if it is not taking you anywhere ;)
nice link egg :)
Yes, for great and/or original art. I'll never be great at art. But I can become better with practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
most things get better with practice :D
to be a great artist you need to practice not just the draughtsmanship of drawing, but also the way you look at things, the way you think about things, and the way you then manipulate them in your imagination; the latter is where many fall short
I fail in three out of three of your statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
I am happy just being a good mechanic. What was that movie quote? A man's got to know his limitations...
Well, there's plenty of room between zero and hero for people to enjoy making art. If you don't even try you will never enjoy making art and will never enjoy belonging to the community of people who could care less about being a great artists but enjoy making art.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about this subject handrawn.
Don't be put off - everyone can enjoy making and appreciating art. It doesn't have to be good to be fun. Even great artists don't always abide by handrawn's list of requirements.
I didn't look at handrawn's list as requirements. But it is a darn fine list...which I wouldn't have ever put together in a thousand years. It's beauty, as a list, is in its brevity yet says so much.
It's a list that is unhelpful in encouraging anyone to be artistic, so I would never have drawn that list up in a millenium!Quote:
Originally Posted by mwenz
It's not a list that I've ever heard of in any art programme that I have seen, or referred to by any artist I've had a conversation with.
Art is a broad church and what constitutes a "great artist" is very much in the eye of the beholder and the mind of a critic.
You can tell that I think having any list as some definition of what constitutes a skillset for a fine artist is ridiculous and unhelpful in encouraging people to take up art.
Anyway, let's not detract from Egg's great link and remember that Egg only wanted 1% of this guys talent, so I have given him the route to achieve that and it's up to him or anyone else to work on that.
paul, anything can be called art with a small a, I have no problem with that, nor do I wish to discourage anyone from tryingQuote:
Originally Posted by through the looking glass
but at the risk of offending the snowflake brigade [not that I am accusing you of this] anyone who is discouraged by what I said is not going to get very far in Art with a capital A
it was not meant as a list of requirements, it was more an attempt to describe an attitude of mind that you must have if you are going to have originality
you can see that, in the link egg posted, the artist has a very particular eye and imagination and originality drawn from the tradition of use of pen ink and white space
I went to art school Paul- it has been mentioned here before - but I gave up windsor and newton for corel painter; and as I never tire of saying an Artist is what I am, not a designer ;)Quote:
I didn't know you were so knowledgeable about this subject handrawn.
there is only one piece of my Art on this forum and it is here [originally done for another place under another user name]: https://www.talkgraphics.com/album.p...hmentid=121790
it was done in corel painter, it took five minutes to paint, but after a lot of practice with the software - don't call it great, but I like to think it has some originality... it has meaning too, but here of course it is a little out of that context, I only put it in the gallery originally to make a point in another thread
Here's some of mine. Done on an iPad.
I specialise in wobbly lines..
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Anybody can do these and get something out of it.
were I wearing my 'free advice' hat I would say - try to make them look special so that anyone who sees the art would say - that's a Pauland - without being told
that's what the guy in the OP has achieved; that's one of the things that promotes art to Art
but no reason to do that as you say; no problem
Art or art? Individual styles???
I prefer to look at the work of Norman Spencer (Parahandy), a much loved TalkGraphics member who at 80 + taught himself digital art without any such boundaries.
Unfortunately it appears that much of Normans work has been removed from TG.
Poor link to his work. He used to have a whole dedicated forum to himself that seems to have been deleted.
I'm not in competition with anyone and I don't have a need to have people say "that's a pauland".Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
Eventually they'll change and probably a style will evolve, but I won't deliberately do it, it will just happen. If it doesn't I don't care.
I don't think people have individual styles because they want to be different, it's what they evolve over time, so I won't be forcing a style.
LOL, that puts us in our place!Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
Yes, I loved what Norman did and it's tragic his posts haven't been preserved.Quote:
a much loved TalkGraphics member who at 80 taught himself digital art without any such boundaries.
Unfortunately it appears that much of Normans work has been removed from TG.
Poor link to his work. He used to have a whole dedicated forum to himself that seems to have been deleted.
ok - but this thread is about an Artist with a capital A - forgive me for being 'elitist' but you got it or you haven't - wasn't that the point of the thread :pQuote:
Art or art? Individual styles???
Norman had a wonderful technique for drawing cars; yes it is a pity
No it's about talent, nothing to do with capitalisation or elitism, having it or not, etc.Quote:
ok - but this thread is about an Artist with a capital A
talent is something you have or have not right ? aka aptitude
[the remark about elitism was ironic and self-deprecating ;)]
No, I don't think so HD, it's something you have in degrees, it's not something that's present or absent.Quote:
talent is something you have or have not right
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
Absolutely not. You can learn to do a lot of things. You can absolutely learn to draw and sketch.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
You may never be the next Mondrian or Picasso but that doesn't matter.
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back to humpty dumpty..
He did have a great technique, but it evolved over time. There was a big difference between the early stuff he posted and the later things.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
everything evolves over time ;)
you are most kind mikeQuote:
Originally Posted by mwenz
it's a good approach to most things creative or otherwise
yes but that is acquiring and improving on the ability to do something, during which you may or may not discover you have talentQuote:
Originally Posted by pauland
EVERYBODY has an ability to draw/paint/sculpt to one degree or another. Everybody has that capability to a more or lesser degree and what you describe as talent is not some binary situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
Discovering you have no talent is akin to giving up and people reading this misguided notion that people can't make art without god-given talent may just give up before they start.
I disagree with your notion that you have to have inbuilt talent to make art. Not everyone is going to become Ricasso or Rembrandt but that still not a reason not to enjoy art and for that art to be able to give pleasure to others.
There are very many amateur artists making work that I find more pleasing to the eye than some lauded famous works.
There is huge value in making art that the individual can enjoy making and others can enjoy viewing or experiencing without having the mental leaps or mental issues exhibited by Munch or Van Goch.
We can agree to disagree and you can continue to tell people they can't enjoy art and have success with art if they have no talent and I will encourage ANYONE to take up art and enjoy it knowing that many people who believed they are unable to draw/paint/sculpt can continue to have success with it on a personal and sometimes commercial and critical level.
Here's a bit more encouragement to get that 1% of talent and beyond..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Igiq58inw
In case anyone wonders, I have no commercial relationship with these people.
I did not say that Paul; I never said you cannot enjoy art at any level; nor did set out to discourage anyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by pauland
what I did was make an argument for there being degrees of ability, and that some of the higher degrees are going to require talent, and the accepted definition of talent is as I gave from the dictionary quotes earlier
if you don't accept that, I have no problem, but I know that nature gives different people different levels of ability in many different ways
I am sorry if you feel I was getting at anyone...
That's good to know, so I think we are both pointing in the same direction and now it's up to Egg..Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
I do sketch but it is not as good as this man's work, he surely has talent.
I don't know, I think art - at least the art that I do, comes naturally. Sure you have to gain skills in whatever medium you work with. I use hand-drawn, vector map art using Xara, and using 3D software as my preferred mediums. I almost don't consider myself an artist, rather a visual communicator. I see images in my head, and am forced to create them to let others see what I see. I have an overactive imagination, and my naturual inclination at spacial geometry and image balance is always there. I'm not saying I'm a great artist, but the 3 points brought up by handdrawn, I have in spades... (shrug).