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It seems fair to say that most people here already have Xara so the question is, what would you be willing to pay for an upgrade?
I don't know if this is something that Kate and the team are even thinking about at this point, but I think that illustrating what kind of financial interest this forum has in a Xara update would help fuel its completion.
Sheffield Abella
www.sheff.com
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It would also seem reasonable to offer upgrades to people who use competing products. Xara stands head and shoulders above their competition in speed, transparency, and ease of use that this would probably help them increase sales. More so than consumer friendly software I would imagine.
I think they would gain more from selling competitive upgrades than they would lose by forcing new users to buy the full version.
Sheffield Abella
www.sheff.com
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I too am on a budget like so many folks here but if you have a previous version then Xara Ltd. would, of course, offer a discount (30% or something like that) and that way the price is more like $100.00.
We can all cry "cheap and fast" but Xara Ltd. has to make a profit in order to keep this baby running. Or you could try DrawPlus 7 and then you would know that XaraX is a great product and if they need to higher the price, so be it, I'm all for it and will pay the price, even full price if I need too!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Richard http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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Ya i'd choose $149 also.
Compared to the "other" programs, that's steal.
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If the upgrade will only contain bells and whistles for web stuff (like menu maker and screen saver animations) I wouldn't care to pay much. On the other hand I will gladly pay more for multiple pages and CMYK bitmap support
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Richard,
knock DP, but you can't fault Serif's upgrade prices!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lmulli:
Richard,
knock DP, but you can't fault Serif's upgrade prices!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not knocking DP, as I stated in my posts on PP I think it's a fine program and plan on the upgrade when 8 comes out and hopefully they will have their stuff together a bit better in the speed and object selections areas (and a few other things as well). Their upgrade prices can NOT be beaten, no arguement there!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
I still use PP PDF and WP, so I still am connected to Serif, gladly!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
Richard http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
---Wolff On The Prowl---
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul:
If the upgrade will only contain bells and whistles for web stuff (like menu maker and screen saver animations) I wouldn't care to pay much. On the other hand I will gladly pay more for multiple pages and CMYK bitmap support
-Paul<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think they would give us more than just a 'web features' upgrade, I don't think there is much to worry about. They hear us loud and clear, I'm sure, but the silence is deafening at times, eh? http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Richard http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul:
If the upgrade will only contain bells and whistles for web stuff (like menu maker and screen saver animations) I wouldn't care to pay much. On the other hand I will gladly pay more for multiple pages and CMYK bitmap support
-Paul<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
for cmyk, multiple pages, ... i would pay the highest price. (thinking about how much pagemaker quark... costs)
go for it, xara ltd !!!
r-)
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I wouldn't object to paying $149-199 ... but as others have said, I would expect my money's worth.
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Phillip
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$69
They refused to release any maintenance update in more than 2 years (!), so why should I expect that it would change this time.
For me software comes as a package; the program AND the support http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
I also thinks it's rediculous to pay $199 dollar for a program like this, when you can buy a program like Photoimpact for $79 that has a lot more to offer than just vectors.
And no, I'm not a Photoimpact user http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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I simply can't afford much, that's why xara was so appealing in the first place. It was just a bonus that it happened to be the best on the market, lol
Steve Newport
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is to illustrate to Xara how valuable X is to its users. I don't think the people at Xara fully get this. Otherwise, we would have had a patch or something in these past 3 years. I really hope they can focus on X and stay focused on it.
Most X users feel forgotten and ignored by Xara. I know I do.
I feel that the price should refect the value of the product. If it has most of the features that we've asked for in wish list threads, then I'd gladly pay a higher price. If it's simply the patch to old bugs, that has been years overdue, without any new features, then I'm inclined to pass. I think I have found most of the workarounds to Xara's bugs. If it's somewhere inbetween, then I'll have to think about it.
I'm hoping that by looking at these prices Xara will UNDERSTAND what X means to its user base and hopefully they will upgrade and give it some meaningful support for a change. Xara X is by far their best product and by all rights should be it's cash cow not their red headed step child.
Honestly, I'm really keeping my expectations low because I don't want to be disappointed.
After X3d 5 came out I asked for a patch for Xara3d to export sequential PNG's. Seemingly a reasonable request since it can already export static PNG's. I received a reply from Xara and was told that a lot of people have asked for the same thing. That was it. No patch, just acknowledgement that many people agreed with me.
I don't want to be thrown a bone, when I'm willing to pay for steak.
For those of us who are still willing to stick with Xara all we can do is wait and see...
Sheffield Abella
www.sheff.com
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Well, I suppose if you have it, sure, tell them you'll pay large amount for it... but it just might cause them to price it at that high price leaving those that can't afford it in the dust! I think telling a company you'll pay a higher price is suicide, cuz as nice of a company as they are, they're only human. If I'm only expecting $100 from a client, but they say they are willing to chip out $600, I'm naturally going to allow them to pay me $600 instead of $100! No skin off my back! And that's how everyone will work. I hated seeing this thread posted
Steve Newport
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That wasn't meant to be taken offensively, and I see the benefits of both sides, it's just the one side doesn't benefit me or anyone else of my income...
Steve Newport
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I belive Xara has this and if not they should. This would help Steve and any other students out there.
Check Xara site here:
http://www.xara.com/support/purchasing/showfaqs.asp
+++""You can fool some of the people all the time.
You can fool all the people some of the time.
But you can't fool all the people all the time."
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[This message was edited by Grant E. Remington on August 08, 2003 at 18:54.]
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Working in a school and being the person who instigated the purchase of a good number of Xara X licenses, I can confirm that the educational pricing of software is very competitively priced (I'll not say how much is it may be one of those things I'm not allowed to talk about!)
However, if memory serves... there was a minimum quantity of 5 licenses before the discount started to kick in, progressively getting cheaper and cheaper the more licenses you already have. I'm not sure that the education discount applied to anyone other than an "eduactional establishment" though.
I had to pay the full (well - the Acorn Artworks to Xara X upgrade) price for my own personal licence despite being employed at the school. It was still worth it though and, personally, I would happily pay the same upgrade price as any other "comparable" version release would amount to on other worthy vector apps provided the additions weren't things I couldn't make use of and existing bugs were ironed out.
XaraX has the kernel of something very good and was well thought out from day one - it feels like the programmer was also an artist. I can't say I've used any other vector app that makes me feel that way. If push came to shove, I'd likely pay any justifiable price to keep and up-to-date version of XaraX on my machine!
However, keeping the price low means that many more people can get to discover the delights of XaraX and the more people we have using it, the better! I'd rather see 10 copies of Xara go for $60 than 1 go for $600 http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
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[This message was edited by Graeme Davidson on August 09, 2003 at 03:57.]
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Is it possible for Xara to list the new possible features of the Futute-Xara?
eg. - DXF-import-Export or so...
then it would be much easier to vote..
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It seems to me that in the past, they prefer to wait until all the other vector packages have been released from other companies before they release theirs.
However, if all their other competitors already offer the same features that Xara intends to offer, then I see no reason not to release at least a partial list.
Since competitor's products have been out for a while, I don't know if Xara is waiting around for the next versions of Illustrator, Coreldraw and Freehand to come out. I really don't think they should bother with waiting since it's been over 3 years. I don't think Xara seriously poses any sort of threat to Illustrator or Freehand.
What I would like to see is a feature list voting page on Xara's website. Then they would have a better idea of what we all want. That's assuming that they read these forums and look for our wish lists. I would like to see a poll with all the features that they are considering implementing.
Sheffield Abella
www.sheff.com
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sheffield Abella:
What I would like to see is a feature list voting page on Xara's website. Then they would have a better idea of what we all want. That's assuming that they read these forums and look for our wish lists. I would like to see a poll with all the features that they are considering implementing.
Sheffield Abella
www.sheff.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's a good idea, or how about creating a forum here specifically for that??
Call it Xara Wish List or something like that. Have Gary or Ross or how about you, Sheffield? moderate it to keep the list compiled and keep those double up's in order. Or how about keeping tabs on the most sought after feature....
So say Jens wants an import/export feature and then 30 other people chime in, those names should be included in the list:
1) XYZ import/export feature suggested by Jens, ...........................................
2) XYZ color improvement feature suggested by RAMWolff, ....................................
3) ....................
That way Xara Ltd. has a really clear idea of what feature would truly be appreciated by the user base and ones that are important in their own way but maybe not enough demand. So it would be a thing of say putting in 25 new sought after features and 5 "extra" features per release (along with bug fixes) say every 1 1/2 years.
I think if they are really wanting to keep XaraX in the fold (on the map, what ever) this is a good idea (or something along those lines) and keep an update schedule as well. Something the user base can count on!! Technology will NEVER halt, we will NEVER have the perfect program and this is a sure bet to know that the user base WILL continue to grow so why not commit to a schedule and have a well maintained "Wish list"??
Just my paltry 25ΒΆ http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Richard http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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