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I seem to have rediscovered some of the joy of using Xara after a good long while of using other programs like Affinity Designer and Illustrator, just for the learning experience and to stop myself from vegetating.
As an exercise in Xara, I had a go at drawing this to help me re-learn my Xara Shape Tool skills, as I thought it might be a bit of a challenge for me.
The challenge for you is to tell me what it is - and exactly what it was used for - and why.
Bob.
Hi Bob,
That is the insert for a 45 rpm record. Turntables have a pin the size of the centre hole of the insert, but 45 rpm records have a hole the size of the insert, thus requiring the insert; unless the turntable comes equipped with its own movable insert.
45 rpm records and LP records had exactly the same centre hole, for playing on a turntable, when bought over the counter at the record shop... but you were able to punch out the centre of a 45 rpm single so that it could be used in a jukebox
so if you bought ex-jukebox records you then needed one of these to replace the punched out bit for your turntable
not that I was old enogh to buy juke-box records at the time :eek::D
[now where did I put that diamond ring...]
very nice drawing Bob :)
Not in Canada! I don't ever recall seeing a 45 with a small hole and I never bought an ex-jukebox 45. In the early 60's we would usually buy the hot new Beatles and other records at the Hudson's Bay department store. They always had an up to date list of the top 100, if I recall correctly. The problem was rounding up the money to buy one.
Nice drawing.
I found one 45 record in a drawer in my office; now where is the insert?
You guys have it wrong. Clearly it is a Ninja throwing weapon. Seriously deadly even when made of gold. I suppose it could do double duty when the Ninja wants to play a 45RPM record. That way if someone criticises the music selection the Ninja can quickly dispatch deadly force. The guy who dislikes the Beatles' single Please Please Me won't even see death come knocking. (Advice - don't criticise anything a Ninja does or you won't live long enough to reconsider).
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@ John different side of the pond ;)
for example: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-45...130435282.html
Now where is the turntable -- I haven't seen it in 30+ years...Quote:
Originally Posted by browj2
you should have kept it, vinyl is making a comeback...
Yes, very true. Have my Flock of Seagulls single but can't listen to it... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
(Hmmm... Maybe I should style my hair like that again.)
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Bob -- you did a good job drawing the thingie. Cheers!
we have some shellac 78's about the place, probably worth a bit but unplayable [because they are probably worth a bit] even if we had a 78 turntable...
I remember owning quite a few of those pictured Steve (including APACHE). Although I don't remember seeing the triangular centre of the LONDON record.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
Why the bigger hole?
http://ajournalofmusicalthings.com/w...record-so-big/
And why some with the small hole?
http://bloggerhythms.blogspot.com/20...big-holes.html
seems there are various names for this thinummyjig :) - we just called it a '45 insert' and that's what they were sold as where I lived...
Amazon sells them "45 rpm adaptors" or "spindle adaptors". Just ask DJ>MasterBlaster.
I think [long time ago] what we called an 'adaptor' was what you put on your dansette [portable record player] so you could play punched out 45's without any of them needing an insert ...
The Bang and Olufsen turntable (Beocentre 7000) I had at the time, had a wide adapter on a spring on a standard spindle, so if the record had a centre it would just depress the adapter, and if not it sat around it.
Bob, it looks to me like an insert for 45rpm records. Neet image.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamtheblues
Just for Ross.
I dunno guys it still looks like a insert for a 45rpm record to fit a 33 1/3 spindel to me. Wouldn't a throwing weapon have sharper points?
You might have to read the entire thread Larry.
I didn't know that. Learned something new todayQuote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
I did Keith.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss-kalm
I remember owning those and also a tall one that slipped over the skinny 331/3 spindle so it acted the same as a dedicated 45rpm turntable, of course the turntable had to have select-able speeds. be it 331/3 or 45. It worked like a charm.
I did Keith.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss-kalm
I remember owning those and also a tall one that slipped over the skinny 331/3 spindle so it acted the same as a dedicated 45rpm turntable, of course the turntable had to have select-able speeds. be it 331/3 or 45. It worked like a charm.
this is why xara is failing
we're all geriatrics
Hey! what did you say, can you speak up Frank ;))Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Frank
Stygg
He said "WE"RE ALL GERIATRICS"
Nicely drawn, Bob. It's been years since I've seen one.
a scribble from way back when
I'm sure I have seen your graphic before, Frank. The reason I remember is that I wasn't sure then (and I'm still not now) is whether the nose has flared nostrils, or it is an Hercule Poirot syle moustache. Both work equally well for me. ;)
Bob.
I was going to post a little sooner to say that I should have pitched this thread at a younger audience.
Bob.
or maybe a less musical one :D
i had exactly the same thought as i was posting itQuote:
Originally Posted by iamtheblues
which says a lot for my geriatric memory
originally posted in 2014 i think
I think it's funny that a majority of the reason the insert/adapter is shaped in this way is to save on material: a simple disc uses something like 20% more material (usually plastic, I think?) to produce than this cooler looking shape which also makes a good martial arts clan insignia...and also a throwing star. :p
if Bob will forgive me for saying, one thing that is not present in his drawing is the grooving - the tab ends of the insert had inset grooves, and it is the shape it is so that you could compress the tabs slightly, necessary in order to fit the grooves over the outer circumference of the hole and grip tight
as far as I know the shape has nothing to do with saving material.... just to give spring and grip
I remember it the other way round ... I seem to remember that the hole in the 45 was grooved and the tab ends had a slight tongue, but I could be wrong.
my memory isn't perfect these days, but the ones I remember are the ones Bob drew so well - if you look at the last set of images in the article linked here:
https://arcmusic.wordpress.com/2008/...he-45-adaptor/
the far left image shows the overlap, insert/adaptor over record.. thats how I remember it and struggling to learn how to fit it when young :D
still doesn't mean I'm right 'twas a long time ago ...