"Xara Designer Pro X" name STINKS. Here's why ...

I sure as heck hope Xara can settle on one freaking name for the "X365" product. From the Xara Website ...

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And I think "X" stinks. Too little info. Here's an example I really dislike - at the top of the tool when opened you see the light blue square with a white "D" and to its right it reads: "Xara Designer Pro X" followed by the file name.

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To me, simply saying Pro "X" is inadequate. Is it "X"10? "X"11? etc. Logically, wouldn't "Xara Designer Pro X" have been the initial release and have been prior to "Xara Designer Pro X10", and "Xara Designer Pro X11". Well, turns out the true name is really "X12". Not "X" and not "X365". Go to Xara > Help > About Xara Designer Pro X ... WoW! Guess what? The name is actually "Xara Designer Pro X 12.2.0.45774 DL x64 Jul 1 2016". So there you have it. This product is "X12".

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Why does this bother me? Because I now must have X11 AND X365 (excuse me ... make that "X" ... ah, "X12") open in two monitors. Why? because the Publish Website Profiles from X11 did not get imported into X365 (oops, make that "X" ... nope - "X12"!) and there is ZERO ability to export/import this information. There MUST be an export/import function. Copying and pasting this info from "X11" into "X12" for all of my numerous websites is archaic not to mention time consuming, and its non-billable time!

OK Xara, time to step to the plate with your promise of patch releases for "X" / "X365" / "X12" and get an export/import function available.

So nothing's wrong about Windows versioning either?

For your profiles; http://support.xara.com/index.php?/K...ogram-versions.
It might not be automatic but it's simple enough.

Acorn

Isn't this a Xara forum?

I believe so, but acorn's analogy is a fair one

how about:

'X' is what the user name for the program started out as ... it was expanded out to Xtreme' for a while, and then went back to 'X' again with version 8; subsequent versions appended user version numbers, but now there are no user version numbers it has reverted to plain 'X'

as well as a user oriented name there is a technical one, because the program build will still have, and has to have, incremental version numbering [or life will get very difficult for the developers], hence version 12... in the help/about

xara 365 is the current product name, which is not the same thing as the program name anymore, because of all the things included that are not technically part of the program but there for use/benefit whilst you have an active 365 licence


as in, circa 2002/3:

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Originally Posted by CQDX

Isn't this a Xara forum?

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It is and that's why I added value by suggesting a solution to your migration difficulties.
Acorn

P.S. X add mystery.

Back in the day when Corel released Draw 11 if I remember correctly, it was called X1 the X referring to the 10 versions before it.
So at present CorelDraw is at version X8, which makes perfect sense. Xara's numbering appears to be rather haphazard and is, in my opinion responsible for all the queries about which is the latest version. This is aside from all the different versions for the web and Page Layout and whatnot.
It's not very coherent, at least, it's not to me. :)
Bob.

Nome of this would be an issue if the title bar had Xara Designer Pro 365 on it. Which is what the product page says on xara.com

I agree Mike. For forum purposes I just refer to it as DP365.

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Originally Posted by mwenz

Nome of this would be an issue if the title bar had Xara Designer Pro 365 on it. Which is what the product page says on xara.com

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http://www.xara.com/uk/designer-pro/ actually states DESIGNER PRO X365, which doesn't square away with Leap Years and conveniently loses "Xara" in the bargain.

• Designer Exclusive :2c:2c:2c:2c:2c
• Designer Premium :2c:2c:2c
• Designer Graphic :2c:2c
• Designer Layout :2c:2c
• Designer Web :2c

Acorn

I'll just throw in more:

the program .EXE files for designer pro are called DesignerPro.exe - this is regardless of the version, so I have both versions 11 and 12 installed and they have exactly the same file name, which can confuse windows in certain respects

I'm with CQDX on this. The naming is a complete dogs dinner. We're now on version 12 but this has been dropped from the name. Meanwhile the Windows apps just reports it as Xara Designer Pro X. Xara's website calls it Xara Designer Pro X but on mouse over it's named Xara Designer Pro X 365. There no longer appears to be a non Pro version, so why the 'Pro'? And why the 'X'?

Xara Designer would suit me fine!

a multiplicity of poissonnier have spoilt the bouillabaisse...

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Originally Posted by Acorn

It is and that's why I added value by suggesting a solution to your migration difficulties.

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In the knowledgebase article your refer to (http://support.xara.com/index.php?/K...ogram-versions) there is a part that I don't really understand: "If you have used an existing website document to save the FTP details to, you may want to delete these details from being saved in the document."

Can you explain the logic that is being used here?

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In the knowledgebase article your refer to (http://support.xara.com/index.php?/K...ogram-versions) there is a part that I don't really understand: "If you have used an existing website document to save the FTP details to, you may want to delete these details from being saved in the document."
Can you explain the logic that is being used here?

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Quite simply, you might include the FTP password therein and there is no way to prevent it being exposed if the design file was copied by someone else.

Acorn

I understand your answer, thanks, but still find the sentence in the knowledgebase rather allusive.

[QUOTE=Acorn;557473]It is and that's why I added value by suggesting a solution to your migration difficulties.
Acorn[QUOTE]

Thanks but it's a PITA doing this one at a time please. So if it is going to be one at a time, I trust myself more doing this: open X11 in one monitor and X365 in another, then copy and paste.

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Nome of this would be an issue if the title bar had Xara Designer Pro 365 on it. Which is what the product page says on xara.com

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BINGO!! - Correct - ahhh, but too logical. So let's see, you sell the product as X365, DUH - doesn't it make sense to include this everywhere?

Now as for the version number (return to my pix in post #1 in this thread) - it makes greater sense to dump "12" and use the last two digits of the year: "16", etc. Going forward, the version will definitively portray when it was released. Too tough to do? At least replace "12" w/ "16". Easy. SO - why not just do it?

FYI - Every website's "File Save As" I do has this, as applicable (re. RWD & X365), in my saved file format: "<customer>_2016-07-20_v000-RWD-X365". the version number increments with every save I do which is FREQUENT. This file instantly & redundantly saves off to two servers. The next day the file name's date gets updated and the version gets reset to 000. BTW, v000 today is an exact copy of the last saved file from the day prior. One more layer to try to goof proof things - such as when you do a Save vs. File Save as - GULP!

If I can do this, why can't Xara?

I have had way, way, way too many tech support calls and emails regarding all sorts of CAD software to the factories in India - and it is my opinion the left and right hands have little clue what each is doing. Why? ZERO Management and ZERO effective QA. Consequently you end up with a plethora of inconsistencies - even to the point where you cannot correlate two conjoined actions. A good example: ORCAD Schematic Capture software. HP printers is another - w/ one problem - I logged 44 hours on the phone in several days - so bad I'll never EVER buy anything HP again. Another w/ Dell re. how to rotate monitors from landscape to portrait. No one had a clue. I wrote a tech article after I finally figured it out and posted it on a Dell forum.

So is Xara going down the very long disjointed road those in India seem to have been doing for YEARS (IMO)?

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Originally Posted by CQDX

BINGO!! - Correct - ahhh, but too logical. So let's see, you sell the product as X365, DUH - doesn't it make sense to include this everywhere?

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not necessarily everywhere; especially not if you are fitting into a broader spectrum of product lines

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So is Xara going down the very long disjointed road those in India seem to have been doing for YEARS (IMO)?

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lets not tar everyone in india with the same brush...

btw: I have three HP devices, I love them, never been a problem...