Split a page EXACTLY into two PDF pages...

I am creating a map for the centerfold of a newspaper.

The working size is 20" wide by 16" tall.

The printer needs it in two 10x16" PDF pages.

Is there a way to export just one half of the image at a time or ???

I am trying to avoid anything that involves me actually touching things. For example, I could reduce the page to 10x16, slide the map so that the left side covers the page, export the page to pdf, then slide the map to the right and export again... However there is no guarantee I will get it to match perfectly.

Same goes for drawing a 10x16 box and using clip view... Too imprecise.

I need a way that will exactly divide the page in two, so if the two PDF's printed side by side don't line up perfectly, it is due to the printer's issues and not my poor page split.

Suggestions????

Hmm. Never tried it in XDP before.

Does it have bleed?

If I had to do this and do it in XDP, I think I would place a line where I needed it to split and group the whole thing. Either in a new document set to half the page size or in the working document with two added pages set to half the size, simply bring a copy onto the new page, align the line to the page edge, do the same for the other half on the other new page. then remove the lines.

But, it seems entirely odd for a newspaper to require two separate PDFs for each half. Heck, its a center spread. I use imposition software weekly and this sort of thing is pretty easy to do. They gotta be using something for imposition.

With bleed it would complicate things ever so slightly.

Mike

Centre the map on the page. Duplicate the page and map.
On each page, create a white box exactly half the width of your map and the same height; ensure it has no width set.
Align one box to the right on top of the map the first page and the other box to the left on the second page.
Change the page size and fit map with box to page.
Export just the page area (map).

That all said, why not provide a map with crop marks as, I assume that's what the printer will actually need?
Have you asked the printer what they need exactly? That seems to be the safest approach. Never known a printer not being able to accept a PDF and for them to rescale accordingly.

I would hold off for more knowledgable advice than mine.

Measure twice, cut once,
Acorn

It is a discount, online newspaper printing service that simply wants a PDF uploaded containing all 16 pages in the order they will appear. I am sure that a full-service printer could take my double-wide PDF's page and do the split for me, but not this company.

I may just design the map so there are no ads and minimal graphics in the center line, so if my split is less than perfect or doesn't line up exactly, the visual impact will be minimal.

Set up the page options as per the image below and export the PDF. All your spreads will automatically be cut exactly in half.

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Originally Posted by Sadler

Set up the page options as per the image below and export the PDF. All your spreads will automatically be cut exactly in half.

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Never needed to do this, but, it works brilliantly. =D>

As Mike states if there is bleed for trimming that would sure mess things up if colour is involved. What I would do is on your original Xara doc. set up Guides for your split with one exactly in the middle on your 10" mark. Then again using Guides drag on to your page 1/8" either side of the first centreline and use the Page & Layer Gallery to do this accurately under properties. The guides for bleed will need to be done both vertically & horizontally and will need to be 1/8" bigger than your 10x16" page. Hit numeral 2 (snap to guides) then draw a rectangle on the lowest layer and at bottom of the stacking order over guides for your L/hand page and make sure in your info bar that the rectangle is 1/8 " bigger than 10x16". Copy your map, bar the rectangle that you have just drawn, into clipboard or duplicate page with guides and rectangle. Then Use "ClipView" to half your doc+bleed on your first page and save as PDF_L/hand_page. Move to 2nd page or paste from clipboard your original map back into drawing and do the same for the R/hand page. Now I have know idea what your design is like but if it is for a newspaper then your blacks in your drawing after the PDF export will be "rich blacks" made up from a % of all CMYK colours and also you have no "cut/trim marks". Re-import your PDF's into xara and select all black areas/lines of your drawing and bring up the Colour Editor, select the CMYK Colour Model from drop down then move the K slider down to the bottom and then back up to 100% as this gives you the correct black for newspapers (don't know why this works). Now mark on your trim marks manually using your guides and re-export both pages as PDF's.

Xara can handle bleed from spreads. See attached PDF (Make sure to Show art, trim and bleed boxes in Adobe Reader).
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That's OK if not full colour bleed and that's what I was trying to explain above. Since I move to Windows 10 can't use Acro Pro or even Reader it has to be Reader DC which doesn't have the ability to insert printer marks. If I was to use printer marks with PDF export it would place them in the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by Sadler

Set up the page options as per the image below and export the PDF. All your spreads will automatically be cut exactly in half.

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Sadler, I also "remembered" this setting when re-reading the manual: Page Options... > Paper > Double-page.
Well done for reporting it.

Acorn

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Originally Posted by Sadler

Xara can handle bleed from spreads. See attached PDF (Make sure to Show art, trim and bleed boxes in Adobe Reader).
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It's a center spread. It cannot have inside bleed. So if it has bleed, it cannot be done this way. Xara products cannot have asymmetrical bleed automatically.

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Originally Posted by Albacore

That's OK if not full colour bleed and that's what I was trying to explain above. Since I move to Windows 10 can't use Acro Pro or even Reader it has to be Reader DC which doesn't have the ability to insert printer marks. If I was to use printer marks with PDF export it would place them in the wrong place.

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I use Acrobat 11 Pro on Windows 10.

I have got Acro Pro 9 and will not run. Even when I try and install it under admin rights, tried to install it under "programme compatibility troubleshooter" still no go. It chunters away if it installs and there are folders which are installed but it's not shown in the Apps like Bridge and Illustrator. I do have a copy running on another machine but it is slow.

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Originally Posted by mwenz

It's a center spread. It cannot have inside bleed.

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I am sure there are logical and practical reasons for not having bleeds across the fold but XDP certainly get's one in the PDF whether it's logical or not.

See test file: Attachment 109926

Here's the original double page spread - anything across the fold from the exported page gets bled. Anything from other pages in the bleed don't get exported. Perhaps that's what you're referring to?
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Originally Posted by Sadler

I am sure there are logical and practical reasons for not having bleeds across the fold but XDP certainly get's one in the PDF whether it's logical or not.

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Typically in a modern workflow having inside bleed is not an issue. Imposition software does/can remove it to the amount desired from completely as in a center spread (i.e., a full page, non-trimmed sheet--except the outer edges), to the amount of image calculated to be hidden in the binding area so a spread appears to be contiguous, etc. As well, no current Print on Demand printers allow a cross-over image to have ink in the binding area as regards perfect bound books. There are many legitimate reasons to not have inside bleed, as well as having a 0.125" blank area in the case of perfect bound books with cross over images.

Here are a couple images with a PDF from XDP where there would be a cross-over image that I believe illustrates the problem with a double-spread containing a cross-over image.

First is what happens if one would try to match up a double-spread with inside bleed without imposition software or without manually removing inside bleed as mentioned above in this thread.

Please note the parts of the image that are duplicated and spread apart by double the amount of bleed:

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Here's how it should be and could be if the cheap on-line printer used imposition software. Note that the split is now joined and would appear as a contiguous image if printed as a center spread:

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