On my computer, Designer PRO 11 takes about 20 or more seconds to open. Is this normal for everyone?
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On my computer, Designer PRO 11 takes about 20 or more seconds to open. Is this normal for everyone?
Probably because you have a complex file that is opening with DPX11. I have noticed this too but that is what I think the cause is. DPX11 is opening and at the same time loading the last file or files that we open when you last closed.
My (really fast) computer mouse freezes for 5+ seconds and then the apps take 10-15 seconds to display. All without any loaded files.
Happened before W10 upgrade and definitely after v11 upgrades.
Acorn
Mine takes about 12 secs from when I select Open (right click on shortcut) to a blank page. This is same time on both i7 3840QM (3GHz & 16GB and SSHD) and on my i7 5960x (4GHz & 32GB and SSD). Approx same load times +/- 1 sec or so - both less than 15 secs, with and without a network connection.
hmmm. for me, both P&GD10 and DP11 open with several files loading in under 10 seconds from the double-click running Win10. from memory it was about the same with Win8.1 too.
but i also cache my most used apps to my ssd so that might be helping a bit too (or so the settings are telling me :D )
Well NUTS!
My first estimate on the time it takes to cold Start Xara is waaaayyyyy off. I actually used the computer second clock to time it and it actually takes 1:20 seconds to start.
CRUD! I was doing the "one thousand-one, one thousand-two" thing, but I was counting too slow. So, in actual seconds it takes 80 seconds for mine to load.
That does seem abnormal Ron. I just timed mine 3 times and it took around 20 seconds to load and that included several files I had opened previously. But, I have noticed it taking longer to load too, I wonder if that is an early sign of bloat.
guessing he's referring to Xara itself becoming bloated ???
i just used a stopwatch to time mine exactly and it opens (with 3 files loaded) from 10 to 12 seconds.
is it just Xara or do other programs seem to be opening slow too? coming way out of left field here, the only time my laptop ran really slow was several years ago when it had a virus. malwarebytes cleaned it up and everything was smooth again (have run malwarebytes since and haven't had a single issue again). is your anti-virus software checking programs when they are starting. xara didn't get switched to run in compatibility mode? (me not knowing at all if it would even matter.) just throwing random thoughts out.....
Just a random thought Mikey. I was just wondering. I really think the programers take that into consideration when they add new features. But, no matter how careful they are I think some bloat is inevitable, after-all new features are bound to take up more resources and inevitability slow down the program loading. The more new features the longer it will take to load. I could be wrong but that's how I see it, but then I am a numb-node and don't know much about programing.
Version 11 takes slightly longer to start up than Version 10 because it loads and prepares the new art brushes that you see in the Line Gallery. They contain some moderately large bitmaps.
There are ways to work around this if it's a big problem - but at the cost of not having those brushes available to you.
Brush loading speed should improve in the next patch.
Phil
80-90 seconds! There has to be a problem somewhere for it to take that long. For reference, mine starts in around 10 seconds, compared to 8 for Photoshop and about 12 for After Effects (both CS6). But then Autodesk Combustion, which 5 years after being EOL'd is still my all-time favourite piece of software, starts in under 3 seconds. My music sequencer, Orion, starts in even less time, around 2 seconds. It also has a nifty feature - it will usually load the last project on start up, unless you hold down SHIFT while it starts, in which case you get an empty project.
One thing I have noticed with Xara, though, is that it often takes several seconds to show the splash screen. Until I worked this out, I used to regularly click the shortcut multiple times and end up with multiple instances open. It would be nice if the splash screen displayed a lot quicker.
I've noticed the same delays in page refresh as the others mentioned here. But I really hit the wall when I embedded a Youtube video object. At first I thought it was trying to render the entire video, so I changed the View Quality setting to Outlines. That didn't help.
We're talking AT LEAST a two minute wait on refresh. That means each edit costs me two minutes of downtime where all I can do is sit and watch my cursor roll around.
I'm working on a perfectly capable machine, running the 64bit version of Xara Web Designer 11 Premium. I wonder, is there someplace in the application where I can allocate more memory to tasks so I can speed things up? This is really frustrating.
This shouldn't take any time to load, shouldn't cause a delay whatsoever.Quote:
when I embedded a Youtube video object
My DPX11 wasn't doing this at first.
But, now, the welcome screen (attached) takes ages to load.
Please don't tell me that I can stop the screen from displaying.
The whole point is that it didn't used to take ages, but, now it does.
I thought the same thing, Acorn, but it's unticked by default. As a last resort I plugged in a couple of thumb drives and set them as dedicated Readyboost memory. The effect was minimal.
Full disclosure, I am running Windows 10, which may or may not be the source of the problem. I'm not experiencing lag in any of my other (non-Xara) applications.
TIA, Phil for the next rev!
I need the brushes, but I also don't need any more birthday candles.
Grumble, snore...
—Gary
Interesting to measure Designer Pro X11 took 40 seconds on my computer (Win 7 64bit, 2.10 Ghz, 6Gb RAM) to start.
Maybe that looks long in numbers, but the feeling was that quite fast :D Compare to the fact that who knows why but Excel and Word sometimes look ages to load in, so they are neither better
It took 10 seconds on my computer, but it might have been in cache.
This is from double-clicking the icon to the workspace, ready to draw, with about 10 of my last-used pages to load, too.
In comparison, Photoshop took 5 seconds to load, from double-click to workspace.
I've got a Sandy Bridge processor and board, 32GB RAM, nVidia gaming card with graphics accelerator, using Win 7 64×, and that neat coffee cup holder just above the on/off switch in the front of the computer. It retracts sometimes when it wants to, spilling Folger's Dark Roast 32 oz. can, served at 140° F.
(Sorry! It's Friday; lighten up!)
—Gary
You're a Triple Threat, Ron.
And full of it, too! :)
TGIF, man.
-g
I don't buy that Ron. From what I've seen you are not stupid or incompetent. The unbalanced part I do not understand so cannot say. As for myself, like Gare I use a cane too. Not that I cannot get around without it, it's just better because my balance is horrible so it's better for me to use one.
Seems like this thread has gotten off topic so back on topic.
Larry, Ron is making fun of himself at his own expense. Ron, it's going to get so expensive sooner or later, you'll go bankrupt.
Me, I'm already morally bankrupt.
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Back on topic: has anyone experience a speed-up loading the second or third time you launch XDP 11? I think my time trial of 10 seconds was the 2nd or 3rd time I ran Xara.
Just food for thought, even though it looks like an hors d'oeuvre,
Gary
LOL!
No your not...
aren't we all a little unstable, Gare, one way or another? makes us individually interesting. i tend to be unstable logically (amount of fun vs. consequences) as all my aches and pains and issues from a messed up spine can tell you :D :D
with Phil stating that there is a little bit more "bloat" on startup (brushes and whatever else) coupled with the cache size and how a computer uses it is where i'm guessing the difference lies.
on a cold startup, xara opens 5 preloaded xar files (3 being web design) in about 21 seconds for me.
after closing dp11, every subsequent restart of xara consistently takes my laptop (relatively new Alienware/gaming specs tho i don't game ever) from 10.5 to 12 seconds as timed with a stopwatch app. if i'm connected to the internet, about 1 to 2 seconds longer.
.......as my kids would sing......it's all about that cache, 'bout that cache......
(and nothing wrong with a little ot if it doesn't derail the thread. happy forum, healthy forum)
Money don't get everything, yes, that's true...
But what it don't get, I can't use...
Oh, gimme Skylake, that's what I want
Oh, gimme Haswell, that's what I want...
Your OOB experience is quite like mine, Mikeymopar: about 20s the first time, subsequent times about 10s.
I have a solution, though: only load Xara the second time.
Brilliant, eh?
-g
beauty of an idea - and that's why you're titled "Super Moderator"
if someone can work that into XaReg maybe they can help me out on my quest to get my version to have menu items spelled (or spelt) like in @xhris tutorials (colour, centre,...)
:D :D :D :D :D
@Ron Duke - i don't know if previously you were running DP10 before the DP11 upgrade or some other version. also don't know if dp10 was 32bit or 64bit or optionally either (i jumped from P&GD10 to DP11). i guess what i'm getting at is you might notice a big difference in times since a machine set up to run 32bit will have less ram than a 64bit machine. it keeps seeming to be a ram/cache issue
Running a 64bit program with 4GB ram...must be REALLY sluggish...as Windows probably uses 2GB for itself!!
I have 12GB and just get by (my opinion)
Jim
idling along at 1.6 GB out of 8 GB [strictly 7.9 GB after low-level system requirement deducted] - windows 10 home
xdpx11 takes around 20 secs to load first time
Ron, a new board (yeah, I'm talking hypothetical dollars here) could possibly fit your current case, and if not, you can get a decent case with a decent P/S for about $100 to $150 and up. Instead of adding RAM to your current machine, get a new processor and DDR4s for memory. There's no equity in buying RAM to fit an older board.
A Haswell architecture will run you about $300 at newegg.com, 22nm as opposed to the Skylake 14 nm, but Intel is having production and distribution problems, so the best of the compromises is the Haswell is being "cleared out" to make way for a processor that doesn't really exist yet.
Now go tell me to fly a kite.Attachment 109471
opening xara pushes that up to 1.9 GB
edit - oh and if we are talking processor, its an intel core i3 laptop
Thanks everyone.
I need to find someone local that can sit down with me and let me show them what I've got and what my problems are and then instruct me on what I need to get/do.
pretty much identical to my performance stats @handrawn :)
the part that'll hurt someone with 4G ram is the cache usage also jumps up, at least on mine, .8G besides what is being used "live"
on boot, cache use is 1.8G. start xara, cache jumps to 2.6G and holds even after quitting xara
connect to the internet and my cache used jumps to 4.9G :D
4G ram just ain't gonna cut it anymore
by the way, i'm running a i7 quad core which doesn't really help with speedy times with just one app as much as having available ram
that said, i also started android studio and started compiling an app and my ssd kicked in to make up for needing more cache space than my 8g ram could allocate. xara still started in about 12 seconds.
and ditto to @gare's post if you just wanna update your current machine