How to keep X10 from adding both a Fill and outline? Every time a shape is selected, clicking a color swatch adds Fill and outline. I only need the fill.
Options> Right Click on color = set line color
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How to keep X10 from adding both a Fill and outline? Every time a shape is selected, clicking a color swatch adds Fill and outline. I only need the fill.
Options> Right Click on color = set line color
To the left of the color line is where you want to go to change this.
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In addition, un-check [ ] Give New Object Most Recent Attributes (Page Options > General).
You might have added an outline color by accident and with GNOMRA enabled it will keep repeating these options. I find personally this crazy making. :O
I have noticed an issue that's been there for many iterations of the program. I have the "right-click on a swatch to select line color" option set. However, I find that many times (but not all times, may 80% of the time), when I left-click on a color, it selects the color for both the fill and the line, and then I have to right-click on the transparent swatch to remove the line color. This also happens in the reverse, to a lesser extent (maybe 40% of the time), if I right-click, it sets both, and I have to left-click on the transparent swatch to get rid of the unwanted fill color.
This only seems to happen when I select colors with no object selected. If I have an object selected, the color swatches behave as they should.
To be fair, I have only recently installed XDP10 on my work PC, so I don't know if the issue occurs there, and my home PC is still running XDP9.
-- Ben
a while back it was decided that if you left click on the colour bar it would set line colour [for an unclosed line] as well as fill colour - apparently this is good for new users who would otherwise be confused if line colour was not changed
actually it is shit
but there you go ...
Ben I have never ever had that problem. Sorry you do.
In Designer Pro you can set Page Options > View > Right Click on Color > Set Line Color.
You can use XaReg 2.5 to change this for Web Designer. Colors > un-check Color Line Pop-up
When the pop up menu for right click color is selected, hold down the Shift key and right click to add an outline or delete an outline and to bypass the pop up menu.
The right click pop up color menu was supposed to make the program easier for new users and perhaps this is true.
the popup menu means you can set dark/light contone without using the colour editor that is useful
We made an improvement a while ago to set the line colour of a line (i.e. a line that's not closed and so can't normally have a fill colour) if the user attempts to set the fill colour.
Prior to this change if the user had a line selected and he or she attempted to set the fill colour nothing appeared to happen and that was confusing some users and a waste of a useful click. So I think this is a good improvement.
(Note that it also gives you a way to set line colour without using the popup menu on the colour line if you don't like the popup menu! Oh and note that you can control the colour line popup menu within the program, you don't need XaReg for that. Just go to Options (dialog) | View (tab) | Colours (section) | Right-click on colour.)
However, this is the first time I've heard that there might be a problem with this. I think it's working correctly for selected shapes but I can see that there is a problem with setting current line/fill colours when nothing is selected. I'll add a bug report.
Phil
I can see how that would be useful. The situation I've been dealing with (on multiple versions and multiple PCs) is when no object is selected at all. I would prefer the program to give me a fill color when I left-click, and a line color when I right-click, and not have one affect the other, and that is very frequently not the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilM
-- Ben
...yea, what Ben said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ad1066
I've used Xara for several versions, but come from a Corel background. I really try to use Xara for all my design work, but there are some things it just cannot do as well.
Thanks to all that responded!
you really think so?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilM
I'm sorry Phil, but the guys who get confused are the ones that don't bother to learn the difference between a line and a shape, who don't read the help or the manual - and please do not start talking about 'wasted click's when changes over the years have added to my click count when using the program a lot
just one example: following on from what I said above I would like to go back to left and right clicks on the colour line contoning a bitmap, that would save me a few clicks with the popup menu or colour editor... I use contoning a lot
I totally agree hd, some features are becoming over-enginered like the group squeeze. This example is another one.
OK, I have investigated this and, technically, there is no bug with the way current line and fill colours are handled when no objects are selected.
Here's why: The program maintains different sets of current colours for open lines and closed shapes. (In fact whole attribute sets are maintained for lines, shapes, text and for various other object types).
The drawing tools choose which set to use when creating a new object according to what they create. So, when you draw a shape with, say, the rectangle tool it uses one set of colours, when you draw a line with the freehand tool it uses another.
And the corollary of that is that the drawing tools update different sets of current colours when the user changes a colour. When there's nothing selected the freehand tool always updates both the line and fill colour in it's set of current colours, which are applied to open lines only, to be consistent with its behaviour when a line is selected.
You can see the different current colour sets by switching between shape-creating and line-creating tools while you have no objects selected.
OK, so that was a bit technical but what it means in practice is this:
1. It doesn't really matter that line and fill colour are both set when clicking on a colour in the freehand tool because those values are only used when new open lines are created, and so you normally only see the line colour. As soon as you close the line to create a shape a different set of current colours will be used.
2. If you want to preset different line and fill colours for creating closed shapes you can do so. You just need to switch out of the freehand tool (or the straight line tool) before you set the colours. The simplest way to think about that is to remember to switch to the tool that you're going to use to draw the shape before you set the current line and fill colours.
Phil
Phil, thanks very much for the explanation, now at least I understand what's going on. I'll be posting a request in Dear Xara about this.
-- Ben
yes it's a useful explanation, but it doesn't get me back to the way it worked in ver 2 <sigh> thanks Phill :)