Re: printing Booklet style
Books/Booklets need to have a page count divisible by 4. So pages need to equal 4, 8, 12, 16, etc.
Really, you should be designing with single pages of half your paper size. So a US Letter booklet destined to be printed landscape would have portrait pages 8.5" tall by 5.5" in width. Then export to a PDF and from Adobe Reader choose to print as a booklet. It will arrange the pages properly (impose them). But as mentioned above, the page count needs to be in increments of 4.
Mike
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Letter size landscape, folded in half? Must be in sets of 4, so for 7 pages, that's really 8 pages with the last page blank. Page 1 is on the right side, page 8 is on the left side. On the opposite of the same paper, page 2 is on the left side, page 7 on the right. Next sheet of paper, page 3 on the right side with page 6 on the left side. On the opposite side of that paper, page 4 is on the left side and page 5 on the right.
Another problem is if you're printer can maintain the proper orientation (so the back page isn't upsidedown from the front). So you'll have to watch for that on the first printing.
I used to have a software package called Blue Squirrel that did this automatically - you state the total number of pages, size and orientation of paper, import the DOC/RTF file and it did the correct printing automatically. But the process describes how the pages are laid out. Always remember that in booklet form every thing needs to be in sets of 4, add a blank page to the back of the document if needed (you need it.)
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Thanks Mike,
I am going to bookmark this page for reference....Much appreciate the response...
Jim
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Jim,
Once your booklet is in what is called Reader Order (simply put, cover, pages 1-10, back cover, in your case), loading it into reader, the image below shows the option. As to where you see "Page flip," most printers will orient the pages properly using the flip on short edge option. But do check because some like the opposite flip when printing duplex.
Luckily, you have a shortish book. It took me only a few minutes to redo your file from the other thread so I could do the example in the screen shot.
Mike
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I find it helpful to make up a paper mock up and draw in the page numbers and planned content. Nothing worse than not planning out a 32 page booklet properly and then having to change the pagination towards the end of the job.
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That sounds like sterling advice SmartEd.
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Does anyone else see this?
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It's there in X9 and X10 Pro but missing in the help in both.
I've tried it out and it seems to do some sort of imposing though I am confused thus far. I would appreciate some help in the help file.
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Sadler
Does anyone else see this?
Attachment 104476
It's there in X9 and X10 Pro but missing in the help in both.
I've tried it out and it seems to do some sort of imposing though I am confused thus far. I would appreciate some help in the help file.
I've never looked at that option.
I'm going to try it out, tomorrow, if I remember.
My assumption is that (for example) if you had 8 pages in Xara, then choosing the Bookfold option, would make a booklet for you.
Meaning that you would get two pages coming out of the printer, with pages 1,2,7,8 on one sheet, and 3,4,5,6 on the other sheet.
When these pages are folded in half, that makes a booklet.
Will let you know my findings.
However, an expert might come and tell us all what that actually does?!
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I've attached an image to show, what I think, Bookfold and Bundle might do.
But, as I said, I might have a chance to check that tomorrow.
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Having just tried this "feature" in various configurations for a sample 16-page booklet, I find it (nearly) utterly worthless. It is still a better work-flow to create a PDF in reader-order and use Adobe Reader or another PDF viewer to print as a booklet.
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This question shows my stubbornness not to upgrade until Xara gives and sorts out a few things in the vector field. When did this booklet print option come in? what version, as I did not see it mentioned before in release notes.
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It is obviously meant to be a pro feature since "creep compensation" is only relevant when a perfect result is required on saddle stitch bound booklets. It seems that gutter can be controlled too which, IMHO is also a pro feature. The fact that there is no help for this is definitely amiss and by all accounts so far (in this thread) it is not a professional workflow or results. I'd love to be able to use this if it worked and was more predictable.
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Hi everyone,
I'm afraid that "booklet fit" is an unfinished feature that's been in development on and off for a while. It should not have been released and so we'll remove it in the next patch.
Sorry about that but at least you can see we are thinking about booklet printing!
Phil
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...Sorry about that but at least you can see we are thinking about booklet printing! Phil
Probably a patch doesn't serve version X9...unless there is also a patch for it. But then, patches for other issues would be OK...
Phil,
With all due respect, think harder. Really.
All of the options in the Print Options dialog really ought to be available within a robust Print Preview dialog wherein these features can be turned on and off as seen fit by the end user. The Print Preview needs to display the effects of turning these features on/off in relation to the printer's paper size. I don't think it has to have a live preview of the page(s), but it does need large (non-printing) numbers for each page.
As well, the whole idea of "Double Page(s)" need rethought, reworked in order for the Booklet et al options to really mean something--and please use the terminology that has been used forever (Facing Pages). One should be able to have a right-facing as the first page without needing to think. This requires a New Document set up dialog concept, or ought to anyway. The Page Options dialog where one sets "double pages" is getting crowded as it is.
The "long" document feature list goes on if Xara is really wanting to devote precious time and energy into this. Else it will remain a half-baked attempt like a few other areas of the application (like Styles).
Thank you, Mike
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Albacore
This question shows my stubbornness not to upgrade until Xara gives and sorts out a few things in the vector field. When did this booklet print option come in? what version, as I did not see it mentioned before in release notes.
Version X9.
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Mike,
With all due respect, you are making assumptions.
Phil
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PhilM
Mike,
With all due respect, you are making assumptions.
Phil
Assumptions about what? That Printing Booklets needs fleshed out in order to be of value? Or that it should be tied into a robust Print Dialog? Or perhaps that the way "double pages" works needs addressed to be of value? Or would it be about the paragraph controls working the way they do?
I don't see those as assumptions. I see those as input as to make XDP better.
If Xara really cared about input beyond wishful thinking in endless threads, Xara would understand why those features exist in other applications and why they operate within those applications the way they do. Xara would seek out input from people who do this crap for a living and actually listen to, and accept, their advice and criticisms. Then implement those features in a way that is of benefit to the user base (as opposed to how a programmer visualizes the feature(s)).
Mike
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Well, having done my tests today, I come home to find that, that option doesn't work.
Can anyone guess what my findings were???
OK. You guessed it.
It doesn't work! :'(
