"out of memory" problem

Hi! I have problem with exporting og web site on my hard disk drive! As soon as I choose "export website", I get message that "memory is getting low"! I go on anyway, and after a while it says "out of memory"!
I tried to shut down most of programs, I reinstalled windows, bought 1Gb memory more (now i have 2Gb RAM, tried the same on 2 pc more (1 of them is quite new and strong), but I get always same message!!!
File is on 121Mb. When i reduce it in two pieces, about 60Mb, then it goes!?!
Please, help me, it is very important and i am in hurry to export site, so I can publish it later!
Anybody can help me?
Program is fantastic, but if it cannot export a product, then is useless! :(

1. Optimize all images/jpegs
2. If it still don't export - split into 2 or more parts.

Thanks for trying to help me! :)
How do I optimise images? From Xara web design6?

I tried another option, but then meny gets reduced, because as I see, it automaticaly cuts off pages I delete when I try to split it?!?
Or, are there another way to split the file without infuensing meny?

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Originally Posted by fred nilsen

Thanks for trying to help me! :)
How do I optimise images? From Xara web design6?

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Yes, from the menu Utilities (or from context menu for single images.
There's no need for keeping the dpi higher than 96dpi.

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I tried another option, but then meny gets reduced, because as I see, it automaticaly cuts off pages I delete when I try to split it?!?
Or, are there another way to split the file without infuensing meny?

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Turn off 'Site navigation bar' and add your menus manually.

Oh, what a mess! I optimised images. I have 700 images, and 697 was optimised, 4 non-JPEG images was ignered. But it wouldn't save file afterwords, and if i try more, program freeze and stops - without saving a file!
I tried to turn off "Site navigation bar". but I found only option to lock it, not to turn it off?! Where is "turn off" function?
To lock navigation bar did not help, because when i extracted the rest og the site, meny was changed! :(
COuld you please help me more? I used more then 3 weeks to learn using program and create this site, and now it stops in last point!...
If it helps, it use 15Gb of memory on its highest. I got also message "error during saving: internal program error 1149.k.st.es` your document has not been saved"

it is xara web designer 6 i am using... :)

Well, for a first try I must say that you aim high ;)
I never make files larger than 10MB, and I would never even think of adding 700 images to one single Xara file.
In most other web programs you work with one page at a time, but hat Xara has the ability to build a multi-page site with one file doesn't mean that you have to (or should) do that.

I'm using Designer Pro 6, but I thought that Web Designer was the same?
Attached is my navbar properties. Look under 'Settings'.

There are quite a lot of similar threads to this one, with people having memory problems. Take a look at them and see how they were solved (if solved...)

Are the images popups/slideshows/highslide?
What are the dpi shown in the Page&Layers gallery?
If they are popups you may try to pop them up at a smaller width, and then optimize again.
You may also try to scale the thumbs smaller - and optimize.
IMO there is no other choice than splitting and better organizing if the images are already optimized and as small as possible.
How many pages are there?

I will answer you tomorrow on all questions, I am tired now and will go to sleep. Wbsite became much bigger then i thought... It is 49 sides, 700 images. program compressed automatically all images when they was imported...
I read too some articles her and found the same idea - to split site, as you told me. They mention something called "relative links"?! Do you know what it means? With relative links site can be splitted and "put together" again...In my case, i managed to split site, but meny was changed anyway... And i do not know how to put it bask. I have also program you are using, XWD pro, so i will try also that option you told me about navbar.
But it must wait til tomorrow, now is sleeping time!
Thank You so much for help up to now! :)

Relative links contain only paths related to where you are in the hierarchy. Instead of writing "http://www.mysite.com/gallery/" you just write "gallery/".
This makes it much easier to move a site, because there are no/few hard/full links. The relative link will work even if you move the site to a different domain, and will work offline as well. And whenever you use a link ending in a folder name it will look for and load a file inside that folder, usually named index.html.
Organize!
A CMS like Joomla for instance uses a hierarchy : Sections/Categories/Articles.
Each section can contain many categories, and each category can contain many articles.
For a very big site in Xara (like 500+ pages?) you could not possibly make it in one go, and would need to split it up into sections/categories. Not much fun to scroll through 500 menus buttons to find what you're looking for...
Think of it as a newspaper online, which are highly organized in sections/categories.. They have quite few menu choices on the front page, like 'News', 'Sport' etc.
When you get into the News section you may get new choices, like local news, foreign news etc, and going further down there may be choices for Africa, Europe etc. Next level (if there are any more) could be news from each country, each city etc.
And all sections may have 2 menus, the main one, which brings you back "home" as well as directly to each main section. The second one would only contain links to pages inside that section.
The number of levels is up to you, and depends on the size of the site.
Small site - few levels (and possibly only one Xara file)
Big site - many levels (and one Xara file for each section, subsection or category, depending on the size.
This also makes it a lot easier to maintain and to add new pages and stuff.
On the site you could just make a subfolder for each section, and eventually subfolders into those again for each subsection/category if needed.
Each folder would contain a "full" Xara website/file.
Linking to a section from the main level would be just the folder name, like "gallery/"
And if you're already inside the gallery section a link to the news section would be "../news/" as relative link. A level deeper down it would be "../../news", or "/news"
In your case I suppose that all your images could be split into several categories, like landscape, people, travel etc?

Here I am! :) I am preparing birthday party, so I have no much time today and tomorrow for website, but I hope you can answer me, because I must go on trying to fix it on sunday! As I said, it was no planed to have so many images, but if I reduce them, site will no function. :(
I created 49 pages, but not all are within main many. Some of them I linked from underpages, through words that I made as links. The most of images are popups, (pop up with 599pix). They are reduced when imported. 12 of them are of 100-200Kb, the rest are under 100kb size.
I couldn’t find out about dpi in Page&Layers gallery, since I am unknown with Pro version?
I also could not find navbar properties under settings?! I have Xara Designer Pro 6. Can you describe exact path to navbar properties? :) According picture you left of navigation bar properties, difference at my site is small – button spacing was 1200mpx, orientation horizontal and I did not choose same width for all buttons.
It is only 1 slideshow, 1,3Mb size.
I managed to export now all pages, but meny (navbar) is lost from the most pages, except a few. Main meny has 7 bottons, and only two of them has undermeny(submeny). And as I said, some pages are not linked on main meny, but on links that I created in some of the pages. I think it is well organized.
So, the last step if possible is to put meny into all pages that are exported?!? That is why I asked you about relative links, because I read (an old) article about them. Do I understand you right? You say I should create 2 menus? Main one for main pages (perhaps to split whole site in equal size?) and second meny – independent one for the rest?!
My problem was that when I removed some pages, to reduce total size and manage export, then meny was automatically changed!!!
Does it mean that meny and pages won’t be changed if I create 2 menus and export one meny with all sites that belongs to that meny, and afterwors I remove this pages and export pages that are left – with second meny?! As I understand, pages with second meny must have at least home link, (if not possible to have full main meny) so to be able to come back to home page?
I hope that home link will be preserved when I temporarily delete half of pages?!?
If meny will not be affected by that, then the problem is solved! I can export website if I cut it on 60Mb. Then it can be exported!
Or, did you mean some other way of using/creating relative meny?
(I am pretty grateful for your answers! :)

I came on one more thing, if it is important - few of pages has many images per page. Maybe 50 to 100 images on one page. could it be some reason that program stay without memory, while trying to read it?

You write that you think it is well organized.
How is it organized then?
What are your 7 main menu buttons - and submenus? 7 Sections and a few subsections/categories?
It would help you (and me;) a lot if you draw a site map/menu map/page map/folder map/file list that shows all main sections/menus, subsections, as well as where those text linked pages are placed in the hierarchy, and on which pages all those images are located.

dpi of all bitmaps are written in parenthesis in the P&L gallery, as well as on the status bar when selected.
Navbar properties pops up when you doubleclick the navbar.
Now you write that you have Designer Pro 6, but previosuly you wrote that you were using Web Designer?

Sorry, I did not see that bloggen went on on next site... So I waited on your answer on previous site. :)

I have main site pluss six buttons more in main menu. /, all together. Two of other 6 menu buttons has submenu.
I will try to explain it simply (if i can) :) - first of the buttons that has submenu is not linked to any site, and it has 2 submenus, that are also not linked to any site. But one of submenu buttons has next level submenu, that is linked to 14 sites, and each of them has own page.
Second submenu button has 6 buttons on next level.
On that last level i mentioned up here, i created on 3 or 4 pages words/links to further level (with no own menu)...
I hope I explained it on proper way? :)

It is right, i used Xara Web Designer 6 to create it all, but i installed lately also Xara Designer Pro 6 trial...
I think Pro versjon handle it all a little bit easier...

A tried to remove mark from site navigation bar, as you told me before, and it seems that menu stays the same even if i temporarily remove some of sites!
I am busy in this days, must do some other job and maybe I must wait with website a little, but I will try that chance, to see if it works! I manged to export all sites, so menu is last point - if I can export it in unchanged shape, then my problem is solved! :)
I found Page and Layer Gallery, but am not sure where to find properties of dpi?

Are you often here, or is it possible to exchange mail adresses, in case for easier contact?

I found bitmap gallery and dpi was 96. I tried also to remove mark from "site navigation bar", but it did not help.
I got new idea now! I removed main menu from some pages, and only kept a link (in shape of word) back to homeside and opposite - a link from homeside to the rest!
But then I got other problem - when i extract "index_htm_files" 2 times (by parting webside in 2), then names of images get changed and i cannot copy all images in same folder.
So I tried another way - I extracted first all pages with menu. then I extracted the rest, but i deleted menu from rest of pages! I left only link to homeside, and words/links between pages that are separated.
But then again comes new problem - unfortunately Xara follows all changes, so none link works between part 1 and part 2! :( I tried for ex. to find index.html on my hdd and to link rest of pages on it, but then it shows page on unreadable way (no images and text is floating in all directions!) :(
Do you have any advice how to link 2 parts if i want to separate them in order to extract and put together again afterwords?!
I hope I managed to explaine it...

Sorry, but it is really hard to understand what you're doing.
I'm sure it would help a lot if you sit down and draw a map of your site, showing menus with submenus and subsub menus.
You should also add some info about what the contents of all those pages are - where are all the photos etc?
It sounds like you're now able to export and preview it, but it gets all messed up?
Because you don't say anything about the content I have to do some guessing here.
I'm guessing that you have 14 photo galleries, where all the MBs are?

I would suggest that you remove all the galleries from the main site.
IOW build the main site without any galleries at all, but with all the other content (whatever that is, and assuming that it is not loads of MBs).
Build each of those 14 galleries as a separate project/page. Just use the default index.htm file/page-name.
However, when exporting you do that to a subfolder inside the main site folder.
Name those folders like 'gallery01','gallery02' and so on, or use some more meaningful names.
The menu on your main site/pages can have link to all the gallery pages directly, and the gallery pages can also link to all the main site pages as well as directly to other galleries. You have to add the links manually though.
From the main site menu the links to the galleries would simply be 'gallery01', 'gallery02' and so on (or whatever the names of the folders are).
Linking back to the main page from a gallery would be '../'
And from one gallery to another would be '../gallery05'.
Linking from a gallery to another of the main pages would be like '../page2.htm', '../page3.htm' and so on.
Quite easy actually.
There are lots of other ways to do it too, but I would need to know more to suggest other solutions.
And you need to do some work on this site map/structure first ...

Hi and thanks on your patience! :) Website content is flowers. All images are only flowers. I attached drawing of menu, because it might take time to find out where in Xara i can get picture of menus... I hope it will follow and that image will give enough informations. :) If it is not understandable, plz say and i will try to do it on better way!

You might not find pictures of menus in Xara, but being a drawing program it does quite a good job making such pictures and lines ;)
The sketch was a good help though :)
I still don't know where all those 700 images are though??
As all those images is what causes your memory problems you'll need top know where they are to be able to decide where to split.

Are there 5 slideshows with a lot of images? Or is it just one show with 5 images?
Are there lots of images on those 14+14 flower pages?
And what about the Flower bindings pages? Lots of images there too?
Will there be more pages added later?

When i splitted website, images ended in folder called "index_htm_files". But since the rest of images was extracted in next round, then they got name of page on the top "...flowers_htm_files" (for example). And there mess starts - some of images in two different folders has same name and different size... maybe it can work, if i keep both folders, but still there is problem with menus, that gets changed.
There is only one slideshow on only one page (page nr.1). It content about 20 images. But as i could see, all images are under 100kb, except a few, that are between 100-200kb.
An exported page is less then main file - it is about 40mb, while main file is 120mb! (if everything is properly extracted)
Yes, the most of images are on this last level, with 14 pages!
On flower binding pages are also many images, but not that many as on flowers (14 pages).
I do not think so that new pages will be added, but some updating should happen now and then...
I tried to cut off all pages that are no in main menu, but content words made as links... Then what was left works well, but i cannot connect the rest! Also written words(links) that are going between this 2 parts that are devided do not work anymore. :(

Xara makes those *_htm_files folders, where the * is replaced by the name of the first page (usually index).
When you split a project it will still generate a folder based on the name of he first page (here: flowers).
All image names are usually replaced by numbers (which I'm not so happy with..), but as they are located in different folders that shouldn't matter.
I'd prefer to split by adding a new folder manually, instead of just putting it on the same level as the main pages.
That's because then it is less likely to be any naming conflicts, and it is also much easier to keep track of what is part of each page/file set.
You could try to split it in two, with all pages except those 28 flower pages in one Xara file/project?
And then make a new project/Xara file/folder called 'flowers', inside the main folder.
Use relative linking like I suggested in a previous post, using 'flowers/flowerpage1.htm' etc, or whatever you name those pages.

Thank you very much for help! It is very important for me to solve this problem and finish site, but i must do some other job and maybe will not be activ with website in some days or so. Are you always here og is it possible to contact you on some other way? Your help and good will was really great! :)

No, I'm not always here. But there are lots of experts here (which I am not) that answer questions all the time.
Actually I just started going here recently because I started using Xara DP6 for web (used Xara for graphics for many years, but never web pages).
A good way to get up to speed is to research/answer other users questions - you learn a lot :)
A few more posts from you now, and you will be allowed to send PMs.

One thing that hasn't been asked, if you are on a Windows platform, is to have a look at the Event Viewer. Out of memory problems should be logged with Event Viewer and often enough you are given clues as to what's causing the problem. From there we could work out things like possible swap drive issues or simply a RAM issue and perhaps not a software limitation issue.

Somebody told me today that stronger PC could be maybe solution too. Also for some similar situations.
What do you think? My PC is at least 5 years old, and when Xara opens up file, it activate 1,6Gb RAM memory... I also calculated to buy SSD HDD, that are much faster then ordinary HDD, but I am not sure what will solve my problem? Do you have knowledge about that?

My PC is more than 5 years old, running XP32 and 2/4GB RAM, with no SSDs, and it is perfectly capable of running Xara without any problems. It never uses more than a few hundred MBs, and rarely any CPU when in the background.
An SSD would certainly be able to increase your speed, but it will not get rid of OutOfMemory problems.
You may be able to streamline everything and finally make it work with one Xara file without splitting it.
But why do that? There will always be a limit where you have no choice but splitting.
And IMO it is much better to split it anyway, instead of having to handle the entire site at the same time.
Faster loading/handling/working/exporting/publishing n addition to better structure.

I will try to answer to both of you - when i want to export website, first i get message: “Memory is getting low. Please close any unnecessary documents before continuing. Click help to find ways to reduce memory usage.” If i go on, then program try to export file but on the end it always come another message: "Out of memory". And then it stops! :(
I am using WinXP. I had 1Gb RAM memory and when i followed Xara Wed designer 6 in Windows Task Manager, it tok 200mb of working memory. So i upgraded memory to 2Gb, and then Xara tok up to 1,6Gb of memory, and still it stoped! I tried to turn off some programs, but it did not help. And i do not know how to do swap drive etc... :(

About another comment, i think it sounds logical that SSD is not enough to solve my problem.
My website is very big - 121Mb big file. If i split it on 60Mb, then it works - i can extract it, but then i loose meny on rest of website. As i said, i changed menu so that menu on first half of wensite do not get affected when i remove the rest, and it works.
But last problem is that i do not understand how to connect another part of website with first half?!? :( Xara change automatically menu when some changes happen. Iremoved mark at "Site Navigation Bar", but it did not help.
I also need to place link on all pages (on another part) and back to homesite, and i can't fix that. You gave me some advices, but i must admit that i did not understand... Could you explain on more simple way how to connect two parts of website?
I am very gratefull to both of you if you can help me on this last step! :) I worked 3 weeks on this file, and it is so pitty if i cannot do final step - to publish it!

Here is a small project you can look at.
It is 2 Xara files, each with a part of a split site, and each with 2 pages.
Part 1 is all white, while part 2 has a grey background.
Very simple menus, to move between page 1 and 2 of each part.
And for going between parts. From part 2 you can also go to either page 1 or 2 of part 1.
In a real project this would of course be seamless - no need to tell the visitors that this is 2 parts.
The first part is exported to a folder (here named 'Parts')
The second part is exported to a new folder inside that 'Parts' folder named 'part2' - ie the path is 'Parts/part2' . Both uses index.htm as first page and page2.htm as second page.
The menus uses links in different formats. All work online, but not all may work if run from your disk (unless you run a web server like Apache etc locally - which btw is a very good ting to do for testing purposes).
http://bknilssen.no/X/Parts/ to see how it works.

Thank you for files! I was busy today, but i will try to get some time tomorrow to try this solution you sendt me! :) I will rapport you afterwords what was result... :)

I am still busy, did not get time to try your solution, but I got free day on monday, and then I will work with site! :)

Here i am again! :) I worked whole day yesterday, but i dod not pass through the last point. Still menus that does not work good enough. But i did not try all options, and on friday i will be at home and work with same problem, because i have some more ideas to try about ur files you sendt me as exampel.
I will tell you what have i done after friday! :)

Hi, I had the same problems and I have a 500meg website with untold images. Had to split it up and once the images that I was uploading got past about 120 per page even with optimizing them I had to use an FTP program Filezilla. Xara would not handle anything bigger even if it was the only programme running. I have 4 gigs of ram but still no go. Have a look at my website and hope it helps you. http://volleyball.coolpage.biz

You guys are totally spoilt! ;)
It's pretty obvious that you've never had to work with 1MB RAM, 60MB HDD, 14.4kb modems and paying a fortune per minute to the phone company!!
Back then every byte counted, jpegs were squeezed as much as possible and 640x480 was considered a huge image!

Even today we need to do some planning ahead, and not just pour more images/pages at poor Xara (and the net) until it kneels.
Everything needs to be split when growing too big - books, libraries, movies, museums etc, and when working with big web sites (aka library!) there is absolutely no need to work on all the pages at the same time. It's often easier to plan this from the start than trying to split it later.
Xara has made it so easy to make great web sites that it has made its users spoilt that they forget simple things like editing one (or a few) page(s) at a a time. ;)

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You guys are totally spoilt! ;)
It's pretty obvious that you've never had to work with 1MB RAM, 60MB HDD, 14.4kb modems and paying a fortune per minute to the phone company!!
Back then every byte counted, jpegs were squeezed as much as possible and 640x480 was considered a huge image!

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Wow that would have been a DREAM Machine, I began with a teletype printout on a main frame that wasn't even as powerful as a Vic20. :eek: ;)

True - a real dream machine, and not where I started computing, but when going online (-90?) for the first time that was my equipment ;)
Like you I started with a teletype/typewriter (on a Nord 100 mainframe from "Norsk Data" in 78), where I made my first programs in Basic, which I still have the backup of somewhere. Unfortunately I don't have any reader device for those long paper strips with punched holes ;)

Ah...paper tape brings back memories. Let me see in 78 that would have been 7 hole ASCII or were you still using 5 hole Baudot?

I have no idea what coding it used ;) Isn't this nostalgia from us oldtimers a bit OT? ;)
The point is that nowadays we are so used to apparently limitless storage/memory/bandwidth that we tend to think that we don't have any limits.
But we always do...

thanks for help Jason, i will see your site later - i have no time today. it is good to know about FTP program that you use because I GOT IT!!! :))))
i managed finnaly to solve my problem with menus! so next step is to send it on server. i use Flash FXP. i will try first with that one, so try your recommendation if my program do not get it work!

thank you so much bjornkn! without you i would not manage it! i will write more later about details... :)

Hi bjornkn! Now I have finnaly good news! Wbsite is completely done and it is online! :) And it would not happen without ur help! U was more helpfull that Xara tips! :) I am extremly gratefull to u and ur kindness and patience, that u lead me through whole process until solution came! :)
By the way, i had also problems with putting site online. But then i used same experience, with Flash FXP... Program froze and stopped. So I sendt part after part of website, and now it works! I learned something new and i thank you again so much! :)))

Glad that it helped then :)

Yes, it really did. Thanks be to your patience and good will! :)