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Do you suppose Corel knows something its users do not, until they install the program? I will post a screenshot of a "neat" goodie upon program crash...I could see this in a beta, but a final release? Come on, Corel! Get with it and support your users! See below screenshot! It should say "Our friggin program is unstable...got any ideas?"
Regards,
The Fontman
Soon jumping ship to be a Xaran!
[This message was edited by The Fontman on November 01, 2000 at 05:08 PM.]
Do you suppose Corel knows something its users do not, until they install the program? I will post a screenshot of a "neat" goodie upon program crash...I could see this in a beta, but a final release? Come on, Corel! Get with it and support your users! See below screenshot! It should say "Our friggin program is unstable...got any ideas?"
Regards,
The Fontman
Soon jumping ship to be a Xaran!
[This message was edited by The Fontman on November 01, 2000 at 05:08 PM.]
Do not bother installing v10 on a Win98/SE system. It will not work.
So, ran out today and bought WinMe and guess what, all (so far, am knocking on wood) is working fine!
The Fontman
That screen you see is a recovery manager that allows you to safe your work or keep working without loosing data, plus it enables you to send a message to Corel informing them of the problem.
Greg
Only problem is...does anybody at Corel look or give a damn? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]
The Fontman
http://www.thefontman.com
Gee Fontman if you really don't like Corel Draw why are you using it? I'm sure there is something better out there for you.
Cause of all the friggin money invested into it for upgrades since version 1! :>)
Kinda like some marriages...
The Fontman
I would never have guessed that Windows Me would work. I thought it was just a prettied-up version of 98. Do you have any idea WHY it works? What is different about Me structurally, as opposed to cosmetically? Any ideas? I haven't been following the magazines on this issue, so content have I been with NT. I would be grateful if you or anyone else knows why Me might work with Draw. Doesn't it still use the DOS 64K bottleneck, for instance?
I have always felt that after I pay a whoppin price for software then a few months later, they upgrade it and I see the version I have reduced in price 80% at the stores, I've been ripped off. The upgrade offers make me feel as if they are trying to keep their hands in my pocket. Its NOT something I'm pleased about, I don't buy upgrades, I use what I have, Corel Draw ver.7 has been doing what I need it to for several yrs now, although I very seldom use draw 7 any more because Xara blows it away, I still use Photo Paint 7 a lot, unless Corel wants to send me free upgrades (I'm sure they don't) my next photo paint upgrade will be Adobe Photoshop.
Somewhat Rebellious, Yes, its just the way I am
[This message was edited by Mike Bailey on November 06, 2000 at 09:11 AM.]
Dunno what the internal changes are to Windoze Me vs. Win98, but it makes Corel v10 work fine. No crashes after EXTENSIVE testing!
Regards,
The Fontman
http://www.thefontman.com
Mike, this I know: Draw 7 remains the fastest version because Corel had just bought Xara at that time and they incorporated some of the Xara code into it. I did time trials against 3 through 6 at the time and I was astonished at the speed improvement. 8 and 9, of course, have additions that slow them down.
So it makes perfect sense that the same people who like Xara seem to have come to a screeching halt on the road from Draw 1 to 10 at milepost 7. I'm not one of those, since I use Draw as a page layout program and the pagination features introduced in 8 have become essential to what I do for a living. I'm simply using a lot more RAM than I was using three years ago.
As usual, I'll upgrade to 10 as soon as the first service pack comes out and I expect it will work fine with NT, the god of operating systems.
So Mike how are you a moderator in the Corel Draw forum if you don't like the program? I/Us use to be a useful resource for Corel Draw users to come and discuss things. Ever since it changed to the I/Us format from the old one (I forget what it was called back about 3 years ago) the quality of this forum has disintigrated in a Corel Bitch group. That's why so few people come here. If your bitching about the upgrades look at Adobe. How many weeks was it between Photoshop 5.5 and 6.0? Finally I certainly wouldn't use Xara for the work that I do (4 color printing, etc). So your statement about Xara being a better program is false.
Greg
I also wonder why you even bothe to host this forum if all you are going to do is bad mouth the software. If you were on the Beta Team you had plenty of opportunitites to contact Corel directly to voice you discontent with the program.
I agree with Mike we don't need Forums like this one which discourage Corel users but rather we need Forums that encourage Corel Users. Give it a rest...
Sorry Greg I ment to say I agree with your opinion and disagree with Mikes. I won't be back to this Forum. If you want to participate in a LIVE CorelDRAW Forum visit my web site to find out how. A great bunch of positive folks from around the world all helping each other with CorelDRAW.
http://www.squareonegraphics.com/onlineforum.html
Hi Ziggy, born in 52, me too, cool. I can dig what your saying, I make some cash with Draw 3 on an old 386 and an engraving plotter.
Hi Greg,
>>So Mike how are you a moderator in the Corel Draw forum if you don't like the program?
I don't recall writing "I don't like the program", I said I felt ripped off when I see the price reduction and I said "software" I think that would apply to all of em. Bitchin? I read just about all the messages, I haven't seen anyone bitchin in this forum, so I don't know what your talking about. How am I a moderator, Well I was invited to co-moderate the freelance discussion when Corel net was alive, Chris put my name on the Draw discussion, maybe you should ask him. The truth is I still use draw 7 so I can't say anything about or beyond draw 7, thats one reason I haven't been very active in this forum. I have been looking at Photoshop 6 and comparing it to photo paint 7, I haven't seen anything I can't do with photopaint 7 that can be done with photoshop, but the results seem to be a bit better with photoshop 6 and it should be, I'm ready for a change.
Hey Corelman,
>>Sorry Greg I ment to say I agree with your opinion and disagree with Mikes.
Get it right dude, you could have edited your first message then you wouldn't have had to apologize. I don't host anything except parties when I have one, I have never Beta tested anything unless I made it.
So thanks Guys for answering my question, as far as I can tell the answer is Yes, Yes and Yes.
[This message was edited by Mike Bailey on November 08, 2000 at 09:57 PM.]
Whew, I can sure stir it up without any effort, so here is the message I am trying to get across, I need to improve my between the lines writing.
I have experienced the software upgrade chain of events more than once. Often times as is demonstrated in this thread not only the software but the operating system may need to be upgraded to run a new version, this could very well lead to upgrading an entire system. Its not a problem if you work for a company which needs to be as competitive as possible and has the resources to do so, If you are like me and don't have unlimited resources it could very well become an expensive endeavor you will not soon forget. There is also the compulsive got to have it software junkie bug which bites me on occasion, I have a vintage software collection which is worth peanuts but cost me several thousand dollars. As you can see in my above messages and I have said it before, I have learned to get my money's worth by sticking with a program until I feel it will really be worth the investment I have to make in order to upgrade, Be careful before you dive in.
Anyone else care to comment about the pros and cons and experiences of upgrading ?
[This message was edited by Mike Bailey on November 09, 2000 at 09:23 AM.]
"Hi Ziggy, born in 52, me too, cool."
You, me and Alfred E. Neuman.
Got the both of you...born in '51 [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
The Fontman
I have to comment here. NO forum should just be a "Corel's wonderful" forum and nothing else.
I'm here because I've been with Corel since Version 3 and I need to know if Corel 10 is the dog that Corel 6 was (that cost me a fortune in waste time). When Corel are short of cash they just shove the release out the door regardless. Then I suffer! I need to know how much of a dog Corel 10 is because I'm getting the suspicion that it's being rushed out (lack of reviews in the press is always a giveaway this close to launch date).
The reviews never warn you of the important stuff (like they took ALL the map clipart out of the "enlarged" clipart library when they went from Corel Draw 8 to Corel Draw 9) or that the program doesn't print separations properly any more (I think this was Corel 6) or that the program just crashes all the time (Corel 6 again!)
I'm also considering switching to Adobe Illustrator. I think Corel lost it some time ago to be honest and although it's a pain to have to learn something new from scratch I find Adobe's other software intuitive and pretty rock solid - even if they have been a bit enthusiastic on the upgrades for Photoshop recently.
Comments here will make me decide whether or not to stick with Corel for release 10 and I want to read what some call "bitching" just as much as I want to read praise.
Ian
After EXTENSIVE testing and use, I rate Corel v10 a solid 10! Awesome and worth every penny for the upgrade!
The Fontman
http://www.thefontman.com
Ian, I work at a print shop where we do everything from business cards to four-color 36-page brochures in Draw. Attempting that with Illustrator would be madness. If you're planning to use Illustrator with PhotoShop and InDesign then you'll be alright, but you can start planning on three expensive and unreliable upgrades a year instead of one.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Some people like Illustrator for the exact same reason that they like the Macintosh's one-button mouse: it does LESS... and some people find that comforting.
(Did anyone say, George W. Bush?)
Hi Ziggy,
I already use Photoshop and InDesign (before that PageMaker) after finding the few print shops that take Corel Draw files were scathing about releases that have appeared since Version 3. I have Illustrator because I like the way Adobe software runs and to be honest I'm not an artist - I tend to use Corel Draw for clipart or basic diagrams, and then export them to Photoshop and use a bunch of filters to make such drawings look photo-realistings and to hide their clip-art origins. These days Illustrator and Photoshop seem to work together very well. Corel for me has always been a pig. Text disappears on print that was there on the screen. Exporting a vector format that can be displayed properly in Word is a joke: I invariably have to export as bitmap because none of the vector formats work properly (they all have their own individual quirks). Illustrator may not be so powerful but it just feels so much more solid and "tested" than Corel. I tried Corel Xara version 1 but when Corel took them over there seemed little point in proceeding with releases and it's a pain having to keep learning new interfaces.
That being said, I've taken fontman at his work (I run Windows 2000 here) and Corel 10 has just arrived! I haven't installed it yet but I'm already unhappy. The documentation is extremely slim to say the list. NO clip art book for the first time ever. Why not? The clipart is useless without the manual. It looks to me like penny-pinching cost saving despite the high cost of upgrade. I just hope the software itself doesn't prove as shoddy!
Ian
Howdy folks...
First off Ziggy and Mike... 1950! Beat ya both. Class of '68!
Anyway, NO, Corel 10 is nowhere near the flop that the "rushed-to-market" Corel, version 6 was. Period. Nothing could ever go that low.
So far, everything's been running just fine in Win98 and WinMe... very stable and no crashes. Keep in mind I haven't messed with either R.A.V.E. and/or Photopaint yet (I'm a devout Photoshop/CorelDRAW user), but Draw 10 just zips right along.
One BUG, however:
When specifying line weights, I usually use INCHES vice POINTS (I'm a former engineering tech and old habits stick). From the PROPERTIES BAR, the line weight pulldown displays and works correctly. HOWEVER, when you try to manipulate line weights in the OUTLINE TOOL, the initial pulldown within that menu shows:
None
Hairline
0.0 In.
0.0 In.
0.0 In.
0.1 In.
0.1 In.
0.2 In.
0.3 In.
...INSTEAD of:
None
Hairline
0.007 In.
0.014 In.
0.028 In.
0.056 In.
0.111 In.
0.222 In.
0.333 In.
...AND, when you type in a specific line weight, it displays as NONE/0.0 In. line weight (the lines disappear!).
Things seem to work OK for POINTS and MILLIMETERS (haven't really checked any others).
I'd call this a fairly major glitch and most certainly annoying, BUT, not as ANNOYING as the SNAP TO OBJECTS snag when Corel 9 was first released.
Hope there's a fix for it pretty quick.
Have you or anyone else experienced this?
All in all, to date, CorelDRAW 10 appears to be worth it, and, I most certainly appreciate Corel dropping the "annual upgrade" policy.
'nuff said?
Y'all have a good one,
Gary
(The OLD guy! )
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Further to Fontman's original post, has anyone had any success getting Draw 10 to run on Win98 (or win98SE)?
It seems surprising to me that such an obvious problem would have slipped through inhouse and beta testing.
Hi gang...
I haven't been on the site for a while because I haven't had any problems. That's why I come here.
Now...for Draw 10...just installed it a couple of days ago and haven't realy tested it yet...I'm also still using CD9 until I learn a little more and am sure 10 is stable. So far, so good, but I had a friend who installed 10 with 9 still on her drive and it converted ALL of her Corel files to 10. Mine doesn't seem to change them until I open them in 10 and then resave.
About WinME...I had a crash recently and had the opportunity to have it put on a new computer. It lasted about 48 hours before I ran screaming back to the shop. It is neat and works well...but not for anybody doing graphics for a living. I ran into the shop owner when I went to pick up my machine and was told they never should have put it on my machine to begin with. She said all were told,at a seminar they attended (by Microslush), NOT to seel the product to ANY business users. It was never intended for business use...just for homies.
Dean
Just reading the comments here; what I see is a bunch of loyal pros who love the program, and some feel hurt because of Corel policy.
Corel is great. It has apps. and power that makes it a workhorse in the business environment.
I started with CorelDraw3, and had Chris's book in my lap as I labored on a 486-50Mz to learn it.
Crash, Crash, Crash. Thought it was my computer, until I realized that the only thing that ever crashed was Corel. We all discovered later that Corel3 had more bugs in it than an Orkin commercial. I still haven't quite forgiven them. Corel4 wasn't much better. I almost missed a deadline on a project once because CorelMove kept crashing just as I was finishing a sequence; got it completed once, saved the completed project to video output tape, and discovered corruptions that made it unable to run on the client's computers. That was on a Pentium machine. There were other instances.
Sorry, guys, facts are facts. The big shops don't use Corel because it has a rep for releasing buggy products. Want a job in a big shop? Learn Illustrator and Photoshop. Of course to be fair, the shops run Apple systems, and that has a lot to do with it also. But I have had several artists tell me that they have constant problems with Corel files.
As far as upgrades? Corel always has been a bottom-line company. Since they don't have the licensing income that Adobe has because of its large-shop popularity, they must upgrade regularly for income. And, yes, it is annoying. Now that they have "cut the deadwood" off, I hope the new management will make improvements. I suspect (and I have no facts for this opinion), that Corel is attempting to initiate the crossover from Win9x to Windows 2000/ OS that is coming. Corel has never initiated change very well. It also may be that they don't have the capitol resources to test as thoroughly as they should.
And yes, I shall continue to use CorelDraw. It's a great product for the independent artist, even with the annoyances.
just a thought
ranchhand
Hi Ranchhand,
I've been using CorelDRAW since V2 and am now working in Corel 10. To me, I think CD5 and CD7 worked out REALLY well, and the dog of all dogs was Corel 6.
I live in the Baltimore/Washington area and have had the blessing of several service bureaus that work very well with Corel files. Granted, I rely heavily on Photoshop (my raster program of choice), but Draw has really done wonders for myself and my career. Most of my work is output in the form of exhibits and visual presentations. On the side, I do a lot of silk screen masters for hockey crests, and again, Corel has really come through. For the latter, on occasion, Illustrator files were required, so after I did all my designing, rendering, trapping, etc. in Corel, the files would convert nicely to Illustrator, and the "clean-up" once in AI was rather painless.
Illustrator, though, to me, is VERY labor intensive and never has come up to the level of Corel in instances such as user friendliness and innovation. Belive me, I've used Illustrator since the mid 90's (so I guess I can put my money where my mouth is), but to be honest, I'm really not that happy with it. HOWEVER, as I've stated MANY times before, to each his and/or her own as far as programs go. Whatever makes one happy. My only concern is compatibility, which in my eyes, has become much more do-able over the years.
So, in a nutshell, Corel has done it for me for the last decade (+/- a year or two). You've been blessed with my two cents!
You have a good one, y'hear!
Gary Garvin
Laurel, MD
I haven't seen anything I can't do with photopaint 7 that can be done with photoshop, but the results seem to be a bit better with photoshop 6 and it should be, I'm ready for a change
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There is a lot of things that you can do with Shop, that can't be done with Paint 7.
You will see big differences between PP7 and PP10 after the comming SP1, and after new professionals tools that will be added soon. PP10 could be updated before V11. It has a new structure which allow this. Shop 6 is not much different than version 5.5 other than some web oriented tools, and it is very expensive. After PP10 be fine tunned. It will be better than Shop6.
I performed the following test. 180 MB Tiff image open and display in the same system.
Photoshop 5.5 = over 2 minutes.
PhotoPaint 10 = 20 seconds.
It is true that PP10 needs tune up, and a couple of tools to be better than Shop. But the time is close, and the investment smaller.
So, I advice you to wait until Spring before you jump. If you have enough budget to get both of them, go ahead.
Regards
Michael Cervantes
MC Design Studio
I haven't seen anything I can't do with photopaint 7 that can be done with photoshop, but the results seem to be a bit better with photoshop 6 and it should be, I'm ready for a change
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There is a lot of things that you can do with Shop, that can't be done with Paint 7.
You will see big differences between PP7 and PP10 after the comming SP1, and after new professionals tools that will be added soon. PP10 could be updated before V11. It has a new structure which allow this. Shop 6 is not much different than version 5.5 other than some web oriented tools, and it is very expensive. After PP10 be fine tunned. It will be better than Shop6.
I performed the following test. 180 MB Tiff image open and display in the same system.
Photoshop 5.5 = over 2 minutes.
PhotoPaint 10 = 20 seconds.
It is true that PP10 needs tune up, and a couple of tools to be better than Shop. But the time is close, and the investment smaller.
So, I advice you to wait until Spring before you jump. If you have enough budget to get both of them, go ahead.
Regards
Michael Cervantes
MC Design Studio
David, I am running on Win98, and the only serious problem I have found is related to Dockers in Paint and RAVE with Matrox Mellenium II driver. If you undock dockers, then the problem disappear.
It will be addressed in SP1.
Draw is running fine. Sometimes CARM appears, but it is good, because it let you save your work, and continue working or just close the application. Before, you can't do nothing when a crash is present. There is not obligation to report bugs with CARM to Corel. If you please you report your problem or not, but it is not mandatory as some users think.
Still there are some bugs, but SP1 will be out soon,I hope. I unistalled V9, and by next Spring, may be I will unistall Shop.
Regards
Michael Cervantes
MC Design Studio.
Folks, I have CorelDRAW 10 Suite installed on my Windows 98SE. While there were a few glitches during installation, it runs just fine. I have not experienced any greater lock-up frequency than with versions 8 or 9. Still testing, but I have had to revert to version 9 only once so far.
One rather interesting problem: I created a graphic in draw that was a fairly simple organization chart with drop shadows on the rectangles. When I tried to import it into a PowerPoint presentation through the clipboard, it both displayed and printed heavily distorted and pixellated. Exporting it as a wmf worked fine. Saving it as a version 9 file and then opening it in 9 and importing through the clipboard also worked correctly. I haven't had time to try this with any other files yet. Any ideas why this happens?
I've had CDraw since version 2, I've wasted many hours trying to get things to work right, suffered heartbreak and stress, but eventually I managed and saw the potential for this application. I skipped version 3 and 7 and enjoyed v 8. I really wanted some of the new features in v 9 so when v 10 came out I rushed out and got it. What a fool am I! the docker feature in both Draw and Paint causes a complete crash immediately, no fancy wizard to at least try to document it and that ateune feature Corel has is even less helpful. I read the box and it indicates it will work with win98 so I will continue using v 8 till that bug fix comes out.