Background Image for Browser Page not Lining up

Ok, a few weeks ago I asked for advice on getting my Background image (the one that is for the browser background) to work how I want and was directed to the Tweak Set.
I have now created LITERALLY and Nearly 1000 background images... over and over moving and shifting content and redesigning it to try and get it just right for the background to no avail.
What I want is a Background that is NO Scroll, No Tiling (not sure but possibly static as well, unless that is causing my Center page content to not shift when browser is collapsed). I would like One large image to be used as a Background for the web browser. That DOES NOT start at the edge of the Page Background and go right and then double back around. But starts at the left of the Browser background instead. Every time I tried this, It always starts at the left behind the content Page Background and wraps around tiled. I just want the Image to start at the Very Left of my Web Browser and not repeat, not tile, not scroll (although if there is a way to make it shift a bit when I make the browser Larger or smaller I would like that so that the Center Page Content would move with it.
I was told to use and read the tweaks set. I did this but the problem is... there were Single Background subjects and Not one that had multiples of what I needed and unfortunately I could not drag a tweak into another tweak I had opened as it is set up like a .xar

I also noticed that in Xtreme5 (which didn't have some of the ease that XWD had which was odd)... that I could click for Page Options and DOUBLE the Background spread. Which was the only way My full image would show up starting at the left of the Browser background rather than the left of the page content background. But this option was not in XWD and it then created a longer scroll at the bottom of the page.

UGH... making nearly a 1000 designs and variations of designs over and over shifting content etc to have background line up is Frustrating...
Seriously all these weeks and I still can't even get the background to do what I want.
Any thoughts???

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Originally Posted by Eyescream

I would like One large image to be used as a Background for the web browser. That DOES NOT start at the edge of the Page Background and go right and then double back around. But starts at the left of the Browser background instead.

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Use these two tweaks simultaneously (drag and drop both to your page):
1. Static background
2. Don't tile background

Have a look at the attached .xar
I have used the tweak for 'do not tile' / 'do not scroll' and thrown in a 'left-aligned page' as an extra ;)

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Originally Posted by Eyescream

I also noticed that in Xtreme5 (which didn't have some of the ease that XWD had which was odd)...

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Which 'ease' is missing??

Hi Eyescream

I had a look at your other thread and your example at http://future3.eyescreamjewelry.com/

As I understand it you want one big background that remains centred within the browser window and it is to remain fixed within it. i.e. no vertical or horizontal scrolling.

If that is the case then it is relatively simple to do. If the attached is what you are after then I will have a go at explaining it.

Drwyd

thx I will try examples again... also The 'Ease' I mentioned was not well thought out in my relaying my feelings... hard to explain, but more so a few minor things I felt were missing or too hard to find in trying to design and or view the Web page I was building in Xtreme5 that XWD had in the forefront. And Vice Versa. But I may go into detail one day in another thread but more focused on my background right now.

sledger, also, the file you attached was sort of messed up so not sure it's what I needed, but thank you so much for doing some leg work. There was an odd bar of part of the photo broken off on the mid Right hand side of the page, not sure what it was.

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Originally Posted by Drwyd

Hi Eyescream

I had a look at your other thread and your example at http://future3.eyescreamjewelry.com/

As I understand it you want one big background that remains centred within the browser window and it is to remain fixed within it. i.e. no vertical or horizontal scrolling.

If that is the case then it is relatively simple to do. If the attached is what you are after then I will have a go at explaining it.

Drwyd

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Drwyd,
YES. This was Exactly what I am trying to do. Of course with a different image but you got my drift. The only thing I would change about it is I want the Center Page Content background (not browser background) to not have anything in it (no transparencies) and Definately want the Entire center Page to go from top to bottom of the page/window w/no rounded corners. thx so much for taking the time... i may be seeing a light at the end of the tunnel (at least for my background concerns as long as I can impliment something like this into my project :P

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Originally Posted by Eyescream

sledger, also, the file you attached was sort of messed up so not sure it's what I needed, but thank you so much for doing some leg work. There was an odd bar of part of the photo broken off on the mid Right hand side of the page, not sure what it was.

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That is definately not right.
Are you viewing in XWD preview or exported to HTML?
The latter is advised so that you can view in your regular browser.

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Originally Posted by Eyescream

thx I will try examples again... also The 'Ease' I mentioned was not well thought out in my relaying my feelings... hard to explain, but more so a few minor things I felt were missing or too hard to find in trying to design and or view the Web page I was building in Xtreme5 that XWD had in the forefront. And Vice Versa.

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As far as I can tell there is nothing in Xtreme which is hidden or in harder to find places for Web Site work or differs from XWD. Xtreme is in fact Xtreme + XWD.
On the other hand, XWD is a subset of Xtreme, it of course, doesn't have the advanced drawing tools or setup options of Xtreme.

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But I may go into detail one day in another thread but more focused on my background right now.

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Perhaps you could attach a .web file for us to look at?

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Originally Posted by sledger

That is definately not right.
Are you viewing in XWD preview or exported to HTML?
The latter is advised so that you can view in your regular browser.

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oops sorry, but when I went to preview inside XWD (opened it with that program) and then went to Preview Website... the odd photo bar of the right hand side of the image was repeating a bar off of the image and to the right of the page. I thought it was odd ... but upon opening it again after your 2nd post... the same thing happened, but then when I went to resize the Browser window, the bar disappeared. I then closed preview and tried to Preview again to see if it was a one off glitch, but again the bar was there and then disappeared when I resized the browser. So I'm not sure why it is doing that, and just wanted to point out something I noticed. But yea, must be a glitch I have with either the file, preview or who knows and not necessarily indicative of your work.
... and not quite sure how to export it to html... is that something you do after you open it inside XWD? for previewing?
p.s. if by Exporting to HTML you mean... Exporting html to your web address and publishing, I don't do that everytime until I am happy with my design.

thx.

I believe it's a javascript load hiccup in the IE6 engine that XWD preview uses.
I have noticed slight anomalies like this in the past with background positioning in the preview window. Don't rely on this as the best previewing environment.
XWD's HTML export is OK and it's fine in your regular browser.
Please export this to HTM and test in IE8 or FF for example.
My sample only uses tweaks from the Tweak set.

Also, please you could attach a .web file for us to look at your problem?

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Originally Posted by sledger

As far as I can tell there is nothing in Xtreme which is hidden or in harder to find places for Web Site work or differs from XWD. Xtreme is in fact Xtreme + XWD.
On the other hand, XWD is a subset of Xtreme, it of course, doesn't have the advanced drawing tools or setup options of Xtreme.



Perhaps you could attach a .web file for us to look at?

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not sure what .web file you wanted me to attach???

and one thing I noticed was Xtreme5 over XWD Extreme has Double Spread for web page customizing in Page options, XWD doesn't which is odd if that is part of a web design option. Though not sure when or if Double spread would have a use, but XWD seems to have less options for Page option sizing then extreme i think...

on Xtreme I noticed that Freehand Brush tool is weird, it allows you to potentially select style of brush and look of brush but when it comes down to it, anything you draw still looks like a Thin Pencil line and if you want a thicker 'brush' you have to wait until after you are done drawing each line and then set line width. I can't seem to figure out why I can't set a brush thickness and keep it without having to do extra work for each line I draw (unless I am missing something).

I was also amazed that there weren't more options for brush Sizes/widths, and possibly an eraser & smudge tool. That would have been cool. In case I want to erase part of an image without recropping it with stark shapes. Again, I am new to both softwares and most notably Xtreme5 but these are things upon first working with it that I am trying to figure out.

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Originally Posted by Eyescream

not sure what .web file you wanted me to attach???

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Background Image for Browser Page not Lining up
One of the 1000 designs that are giving you problems with the background? Or have I misread your OP

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UGH... making nearly a 1000 designs and variations of designs over and over shifting content etc to have background line up is Frustrating...
Seriously all these weeks and I still can't even get the background to do what I want.

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and one thing I noticed was Xtreme5 over XWD Extreme has Double Spread for web page customizing in Page options, XWD doesn't which is odd if that is part of a web design option. Though not sure when or if Double spread would have a use, but XWD seems to have less options for Page option sizing then extreme i think....

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This isn't a web Page template option, it's a normal drawing page option which has been a template included with Xtreme for many versions.
You can see the difference by opening the Object Gallery. Web templates will have MouseOff and MouseOver layer already in place.
XWD is a subset of Xtreme, designed with basic tools and designed to be used for Web Page design.
It's target audience is reflected in it's price (much much cheaper than Xara Xtreme or Xtreme Pro.)

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on Xtreme I noticed that Freehand Brush tool is weird, it allows you to potentially select style of brush and look of brush but when it comes down to it, anything you draw still looks like a Thin Pencil line and if you want a thicker 'brush' you have to wait until after you are done drawing each line and then set line width. I can't seem to figure out why I can't set a brush thickness and keep it without having to do extra work for each line I draw (unless I am missing something).

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Yes you are. The Brush tool is a very powerful one which is too big a subject to go into here.
Please read the Help File on this one.
Also have a look at the Xara Brushes forum

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I was also amazed that there weren't more options for brush Sizes/widths, and possibly an eraser & smudge tool. That would have been cool. In case I want to erase part of an image without recropping it with stark shapes. Again, I am new to both softwares and most notably Xtreme5 but these are things upon first working with it that I am trying to figure out.

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Because you are thinking 'pixel editing' software, Xtreme is a Vector illustration application rather than a raster/bitmap editor.
Smudge tools and erasers are common raster tools.

now i understand the following attached .web file I am attaching may not have all the tweaks I wanted but I could not figure out how to 'drag and drop' a tweak let alone multiple tweaks into my document/page I was building. Because each tweak when unzipped was either a .xar file which treated as a seperate .xar document only to open as a New document and wouldn't allow me to drop it into a document I was already creating. The others in the download were .htm which same thing wouldn't allow me to drag and drop. And Somehow after I installed Xtreme, those files are automatically showing with Xtreme logo, if that even matters.


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ahh thanks for the info I honestly did not know the difference between Vector and Raster so thank you ... I am so used to photoshop that some of the tools like smudge and eraser are so basic to me and something I cannot live without. My pardon.


The 1000 designs I was referring to were the nearly 1000 images I created for my background in Photoshop... shifting designs and redoing.. and trying to have images start small and one side and then the right side be more massive so that if I had to deal with a tiled wrap around, then the 2 ends would meet and sort of create the illusion of One giant full image. when in fact it was wrapped around. I did all this cause I couldn't get tweaks to drag and drop and couldn't get background to do what I wanted, so kept redesigning the background design in another program and then trying to place it into Xara and line it up how I wanted with no luck.
So the bazillion images were actually .psd then .jpgs I created over and over, and Then placed them into a .xar/.web doc
Hope that made sense.

Also, thx for Brushes link, I will go investigate now... phew :P


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OK - now I see where you are getting it wrong.
You didn't read the instructions for installing the TweakSet :p

Please go back to the zip file and read the manual.htm: Installation instructions :D:D

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Originally Posted by sledger

OK - now I see where you are getting it wrong.
You didn't read the instructions for installing the TweakSet :p

Please go back to the zip file and read the manual.htm: Installation instructions :D:D

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Ugh.. thx will do just that... thought I did but somehow with all the designing the tweaks were no longer showing up after I had originally loaded them Get Designs.. somehow I managed to bypass that the 3rd or 4th or 5th variation of the site with 'NEW' site creations.. then forgot to reread the Read me... which made me forget to reload them into any new or current designs I was working on....
so much to remember... let alone the thought that I don't know the difference between Vector & Raster & still don't.... (not the academic as you can tell... just an arty farty with lots to learn still)
sigh...
thanks.

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Originally Posted by sledger

Background Image for Browser Page not Lining upYes you are. The Brush tool is a very powerful one which is too big a subject to go into here.
Please read the Help File on this one.
Also have a look at the Xara Brushes forum

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um ok went to brushes forum link... how do I go about getting a brush listed there... each sort of shows up as a .xar image that once loaded is still a .xar doc that shows thumbnails inside the page in the program... is this also something like the .xar Tweak set that I must First Download/save each brush file and then open the XWD program and Load them into Bitmap gallery/Get Designs... or am I totally in the wrong field on this... please let me know as I couldn't find a post on how to download/use the brushes in that forum... it just mainly had posts for brushes but couldn't find any text on how to use them... (i would just like to find brushes that have different thicknesses so when I draw with them they can be thicker than a pencil line :P


oh, I just highlighted one of the brush images in the xtreme program and then tried 'create brush' with the image of the brush I had opened in the program highlighted. Is that how you do it?
and Thanks so much in advance you've been very helpful again.


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Close Xtreme

Copy brushename.xar to:

C:\Program Files\Xara\Xara Xtreme Pro 5\Templates\ENG\Brushes

Re start Xtreme.

Brush is installed

This thread is way off topic now.
I advise that instead of reading here, have a read of the Xtreme Help file under 'Search' tab query: brushes.

Hi Eyescream

A small tutorial for you.

Drwyd

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Hi Eyescream

A small tutorial for you.

Drwyd

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Drwyd will check it out next chance I get. Thank you so much.

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Hi, ok, all my attempts at doing a Full Background image as one background did not fly. I have it as one background, but had to make an image that would wrap and repeat. It was the only way to do it. Hard for me to explain, but if you really want to see what my background image really looked like, just go to link and view background image.
Thx for everyones help, I tried many times to get the Tweaks to work even after reading instructions. Tweaks would do one thing when added to the page, maybe 2 things... but kept messing up and not doing exactly what I wanted. It was really frustrating...
and checked out Dryads addition and read it, though much of it I didn't understand. I do thank Dryad for your time though. It was just too much information for me to make sense of I think.

Only way I could do it is to make a large/width image that had a Large block on the right that would act as a border on both sides of the page once it wrapped around and met up with itself on the left.

As a result, the final image border from Background surrounding center page, is still not perfectly lined up how I wanted. And designing the background was one of the trickiest things I've had to do yet. Considering everything was designed with the idea it would wrap and repeat. Designing something that is Asymetrical to pretend to be Symetrcial is not advised if you want to keep your sanity. haha.
ah well. moving on...


http://www.future2.eyescreamjewelry.com

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