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Hey all! Willy here. Want to finally update my old "website" after about three years. Would like to use Xara but from what I have heard, I still need to use the same irritating choices for html editing, ( Dreamweaver,irritating...Go-Live,crash testing...or Frontpage,nervewracking. I hear it's easier to design in Webstyle. What makes Webstyle easier? Not try'ing to be sarcastic, just would really like to know. Thanks, Willy
www.willyprints.com
Webstyle is easy to collate and theme all the graphics that you need. However, you still need an HTML editor to get the pages ready for the web. When using Webstyle formatted pages, I then use CoffeeCup HTML editor for the final stages.
If you are looking for a really easy program to produce a good site fast, without much knowledge or skill, you could try Web Easy 6.0 from VCOM. I use this all the time and I also use it with Webstyle graphics. It is more than adequate and extremely easy to use. Our current site uses both programs.
The link below is for UK sales, but Web Easy is produced and marketed in the States.
http://shop.avanquest.com/uk/prod.ph..._WEPUPG_1105Re
Cool, I'll check those out. Appreciate it. Later, Willy
I use Namo WebEditor 2006 after having used Dreamweaver MX (don't own it and wanted a product I felt would be around and competitive to Adobe/Macro without the high cost). I find Namo to be easier and fun to use (Compared to Dreamweaver MX) with a strtaightforward and clean interface. I hear many complaints of WebEditor 6 being unstable but I have 2006 and and don't have these problems. It works like a word processor or design app and utilizes tables and layers for easier positioning of elements. Cost is $99 but to me was worth every penny.
Thanks for the advice, I'll check that out too. Willy
I'll go with Namo as well. WebEditor 2006 comes with loads of utilities, including a "vector drawing package"... not quite Xara though.... and like calypsoblade, it doesn't fall over for me either. I use it with Webstyle quite a bit for quick jobs.
William
It so depends on what sort of web site you want.
For a simple one, Webstyle is quite clever, but it is wasteful in how it creates separate folders for the graphics of each page - so really you ought to get into the code and redirect the links to a set of folders where you have merged the graphics.
I have been using DW for a long time - and the new release since it came out, and if you want a database to help manage the Gallery or add other tricks then the application development features in DW, for example using MySQL and PHP have really come of age. It is a ghastly Americanism but it *does* make a lot of the work a "snap".
But I use DW with X1/Xtreme to design the pages - and create the graphic to use in DW.
I use virtual mechanics sitespinner
it is a wsiwyg editor,
very easy to use.
http://www.virtualmechanics.com/products/spinner/
Hi I seen these people who state GoLive crashes well it does if you have wrong graphics card and you don't have oodles of memory but on the other hand if you do and wnat to publish stuff to mobiles then this is the programme for you. If you want to have a dynamic site then you will have to go back to GL6. Why do I pay Adobe my money just to have a programme whiich does static sites because I donn't have the interest to learn HTML, what a mug.
I go with the cheapest and the best... learned to sling the code. So I get to use wordpad/notepad. There is not anything on the web that can not be done with wordpad/notepad, except graphics... so I use xara x/xtreme and a bit o flash.
90% of the folks here will disagree. It is all personal preference...
Hey John, I found a program that I like even more than notepad. It's called notepad2 http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html
Creates plain vanilla text just like notepad, but it has syntax highlighting for many hypertext, scripting, and programming languages. The source code is also available if you want to add something.
Code isn't that hard to learn, you've learned all this stuff, it is just a matter of tags and the structure. Best book I've found is "Sam's Teach yourself HTML in 24 Hours", the text book for the class I took and it really was self-teaching. The teacher had some good lectures, but if you went through a book like that, it isn't long, about 100 pages, the HTML part, you'd have enough of a grip on to edit what you need yourself. The rest, I'd get from Dynamic Drive, lots of fun scripts and you can copy and paste and fiddle with the free scripts, a learning experience for sure.
Hi Bill,
I will have to check that out. I also have ultra edit, but still use wordpad most of the time. No bells and whistles to get in the way.
For years, netscape used to have a very good online manual for both HTML and JS. PERL has docs built in... No teachers, no books, no dirty looks, just hack and slash away.
When you build web pages for engineers/house designers, you need ultimate control over object placement, no program give you that control without ultimate code bloat. Designing a site a present, that will have about 500K pages... All dynamic of course, I do not want to build 500K pages, no matter what the paycheck is. :rolleyes:
What I'm going to do is update my site and then practice on it. Eventually I am going to learn Flash. I really like simple sites that look good, a little bit of movement here and there, (Flash, Gif?) but nothing overwhelming. I know I need to learn HTML, CSS, etc. I'm not sure I could visualize it just using coding, I like to see color and shapes as I set it up. The problem is, I get overwhelmed using the programs to lay it out. Sorry, I'm really mixed up right now. Willy
So you are saying I can do a whole website without using anything but Xara and a program I found called NoteTab which is an HTML/text editor? Can you see what your actually building or do you have to just use a mental picture?
Hey Willy,
All those programs do is slap code in for you where you want something. Adjusting things after placement can really get the code bloat going into overtime. A simple text editor will give you the chance just to put in the least amount of code possible to do the job. It just takes much more thought and engineering to get a page to look great with a text editor.
Do a view source from any broswer and you will see exactly how the code is put together. Some load fast, others load slow, and still others, seem to scream they load so fast. These screaming pages are built with a text editor. Lots to learn tho... For instance, the attached page was designed to work with a free shopping cart program... http://www.lakotalaw.com/
Willy
Hi, some of us (including Gary) use NetObjectsFusion, which has just been updated to "9", don't know how stable the new version is - yet. The website is www.netobjects.com and it does what I want with little real trouble (others will certainly disagree).
Well I dont know about you guys but Ive always coded with 1stpage, i love it. its simple.
anyways :D
RonC
I've used Netobjects fusion since version 5, but find that It seems to get increasingly unstable over time ( from install ). I went to the NetObjects fusion forum to see what the users were saying about the new version and read that many were experiencing problems, So this time I think I'll be switching to Adobe GoliveCS. A huge decision since it means that I'll essentially be rebuilding my website from scratch! Oh well~! -AF
williamdruid,
If you find GoLive, Dreamweaver, and FrontPage to be overkill for what you're trying to accomplish, you might look into nVu:
http://www.nvu.com/
This is a free, open-source web page editor that does WYSIWYG editing (you can "see" what you're doing), but also lets you work directly with the code. It offers a "design" view, an "HTML Tags" view, and a color-coded "Source" view.
It includes some site-management features, PHP and JavScript editing, and an easy built-in CSS manager.
Might be worth checking out. From what I've read it seems right up your alley.
Merry
i tried that and almost converted from 1stpage but it was too weird and left it to work back with 1stpage :/
RoNC
Thanks everybody. Gave me a lot to think about. Got me some books on HTML and CSS but will probably use one of the smaller programs till I learn more. Not sure where I'll head from here. Thanks again, Willy
I'm happy to disagree with you.. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by John Rayner
Good luck with notepad - if you're comfortable with that, that's fine. I would disgaree that it's necessarily a personal preference - many people really aren't interested in learning HTML (and who could blame them) but want a basic website, so WYSIWIG editors, of whatever quality can help them, similarly people maintaining large evolving websites will find that support from programs such as Dreamweaver will help them enormously.
Don't get me wrong - you can go a long way with a simple site using a WYSIWIG editor without knowing much HTML, but the more sophisticated you want to be, knowing something about HTML is a must. Once you have a grasp of HTML you can choose between notepad and more sophisticated offerings!
I don't think anyone has mentioned it [edit - several people did - why didn't I read those posts? Doh!], but I suspect, particularly for the novice, Netobjects Fusion is probably one of the easiest ways to build websites (and I say that as a Dreamweaver user).
Anyway, you pays (or don't pay) your money amd makes your choice.
Paul
I'll just add my $0.02 as another Namo WebEditor 2006 user.
.joroho.
I have always used homesite.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/
but another program that is very much like homesite and Free is
1st page, as suggested by rpc9943.
http://www.evrsoft.com/1stpage2.shtml
Thats all you need is 1st page and Xara.