All painter. Am I missing something with attachments?
[This message was edited by inkings on June 23, 2001 at 23:49.]
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All painter. Am I missing something with attachments?
[This message was edited by inkings on June 23, 2001 at 23:49.]
All painter. Am I missing something with attachments?
[This message was edited by inkings on June 23, 2001 at 23:49.]
Hi
nice look
I have had the same trouble with images downloading as a link. It does seem to be a random problem, however I'm not sure but I think it might have something to do where you can name the imported picture next to the browse button. Try leaving this blank.
I was just practicing to see what comes up next to the browse box. Your attatchment seemed to load up with the same title so I guess that blows that theory out of the water. I'll stick with the random problem, it's easier.
thelonious
Great design Inkings!
Regarding your troubles posting images - Maybe you should go to the Test Forum and try out all the posting options and try to discover if you were doing something wrong.
By the way, if your image is already hosted online somewhere else (even in the test forum for example) you can use the "image" instant uub code to have it display inline in your posting without it being an "attachment". With this method you can have more than one pic per posting.
Regards, Ross
<a href=http://www.designstop.com/>DesignStop.Com</a>
Hi Inkings,
For what it's worth, here's what I see when I right-click your image file name at the bottom of your message:
42a%2Eblue%20fishes%2052.html
Those percent signs are put in automatically if you leave a space in the file name. It's better to either use a dash or an underscore.. like this:
jin-brown
or
jin_brown
Also, I don't know why it's coming up as an HTML file unless it's a Web page you're trying to post. If that's the case and what you really want is to just have the image display inside your message, it does, as mentioned before, need to be uploaded to a server somewhere.
Hope you can get the posting thing fixed. I'd love to see it. Good luck.
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Thelonious,
Your painting is beautiful. I love the colors and shapes. Want to share with us how you created it?
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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jinny. those are inking's fishes. theo just reposted them for ink 'cause ink was having trouble with the file.
s.66
Thanks all for the posting help. It is a humble jpeg so I don't understand HTML codes in it..
After making the painting I deleted a little border and used the "thin distort" to make the pointy edges. You can see the paper at the edge but not in the print. inkings
Bejeezus Jinny
that is sooo embarrasing.
Now I'll have to come up with some kind of painting to save face, Ghod!!!
watch this space
T
Stecyk,
Thank you. How the heck was I to know.. I wondered if it was Inkings but it seemed more to be Thelonious' since it was in his post and there didn't seem to be anything saying whose it was.
Dang! Now I'm going to have to snatch back the credit from Thelonious' grip and give it to Inkings.
Inkings, your painting is lovely.. the colors are beautiful and I forgot to say this before.. and I did realize the shapes were fishes.... nice fishes. Humble JPEG or not.. I like it!
Thelonious, are you working hard at that painting? we're watching that spot.
~Õ¿Õ~
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Inkings,
Where are these images located?
Anyone,
How did Thelonious get the image to post it for Inkings? I tried all the tricks I know to see it and nothing worked.
Hmmm....
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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I've had this same problem happen occasionally and I can't figure out why, so I was sort of interested. I just clicked on the download, then there was a jpeg on my desktop.
I was just checking out what the browse box looked like, I hit browse and the jpeg was already in the window, then I accidentally hit post now.
Damn these Macs they make it too easy.
T
Although Inkings image got posted as a link, that link still open up fine in my browser. I find no reference to html in the link or the url of the window it opens in. After opening the link, when the image is right-clicked (PC) and "properties" is selected from the menu - it tells me it is an unknown type and I note there is no file extension. If I choose "save picture as" I find that windows assigns it a jpg extension.
When I posted Inkings other recent post that also displayed itself as a link, I saved the file locally and then attached it in the usual way. No problemo. Where all this is leading is that I think the posting problem relates only to Inking's file names having no file extension. Without the extension the forum software attaches a link. If Inkings made sure when he attaches a file that it has the appropriate extension I'm pretty sure all would work as it should.
Regards, Ross
<a href=http://www.designstop.com/>DesignStop.Com</a>
I'm really more of a photoshopist Jinny but for what it's worth this is Ganga
T
Oh Thelonious!
Thank heaven you came back to fill that space. My neck was getting stiff staring at it.
Ganga, eh? Is this a Hindu god, or.. um.. am I close? He(she?) certainly has a lot of rings.
Photoshop, or Painter? How'd you get those ring things?
Guess I should tell you I like it. Most unusual and interesting...
Why is my video tape clunking? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]
Thanks, T.
(going back to look at Ganga some more)
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Thanks,
It was really very easy. It's just two stroked lines with bevel world applied and an iris painted in with some surface texture lighting and topped off with a lump of liquid metal.
After putting off making an image hose for so long I discovered that you don't need to make a variation of sizes! I made this single image into an image hose and just hosed it on.
If you play around with the angle it's amazing the effects you can get from such a simple hose.
Ganga came down to the earth and became the Ganges. But like she was a big girl so she had to do it via Shiva's matted hair. She sort of hung around in his hair for a long time, this really annoyed one of his other girlfriends. (Parvati?) Everyone liked Shiva, I think it was a power thing. You know he wouldn't think twice of turning 60,000 people to ash just for looking at him wrong.
T
Thelonious,
That was an interesting message! Thanks for both explanations.. your image and Ganga.
Now I'm so darned educated! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Yes, Nozzles and Captured Brushes are really easy and surprisingly capable of variety.. to say nothing of how much fun they can be.
Thanks again. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Welcome to level 17. This is where you can kick your shoes off and relax. So go make yourself a cup of tea, or get a beer, I'll wait...
Yeah pattern brushes. You can make them real quick and with the angle and spacing not to mention colour variation it's surprising how good they can look.
So Jinn, do you think we'll be seeing Panfer back for a while. Will she come out of the closet or what. Are you old enough to remember how in the 60's we were all going to go to work by now with jet packs. Do you feel cheated?
Here's an idea, lets just shoot the breeze for a while till everyone gets bored with this thread then at about level 33 post the absolute killer tutorial that noone will ever see. It'd be very zen.
If we keep it going long enough we might get some really rare postees come out of their shell, probably about level 63 I guess.
How about a little competition (not judged of course) Design a pattern brush then in one continuous stroke see what you can do in one 20 second sweep.
T
The. Hink,
Let me get my bearings.. I think you're actually at subterranean level 18. I'm at 19 but I can see you up there. My shoes are off and with your permission (for tea, at least), there's a cup of coffee at my side.
Pattern brushes, eh? Well that's yet another kind. Now we have Nozzles, Captured Brushes, and Pattern Brushes (Pattern Pens?). I know it's cheating, but I did an image for one of the challenges over in the Painter Forum at IDD a while back. The challenge was to paint a dancing star. After much ado and a great deal of wobbling, it finally came to me! Please have a look:
http://www.pixelalley.com/painterfor...-n-ginger.html
Did you read the text, all the way to the bottom? Hmmmm....
Let me think about this. Is there some connection between Panfer coming back (I hope she will) and jet packs? No, I don't feel cheated.. never did like the idea of jet packs anyway. I did kind of like my son's idea, though. He was concerned about traffic accidents and decided it would be a good idea to have cars run on a cable thing buried in the street that would automatically make them stop at the corners so each crossing street could have a turn. He never followed through on it, though. I guess that's what happens when you have a good idea too soon. He was 7.
At level 33? Does that mean we can't do anything serious 'til then? I've already done the one continuous stroke in less than 20 seconds (didn't know that about me did you?).
OK.. here's what: Let's do one of each, a Pattern Pen, a Captured Brush, a Nozzle, and then make one image using them. Everything's got to be new. Those are the rules.
Be back in a while... (this pot of coffee's gonna keep me up the rest of the night and most of tomorrow/today... it's 3:02 am here).
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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I don't know what's happening anymore Jinn the air's getting heavy my canary is lying on the bottom of the cage. I think I'll need that jet pack to get out of here alive.
I just want Panfer to lift this curse, I fear I'll never see the blue sky and a river with a waterfall again.
In this dark world even Fred Astar looks like he's joined the Ku Klux Klan. Yep all the way to the end, it took me 20 mins to read.
I like it, do you mean three 20 second sweeps then join them up. 'cause that's what I'm going to do. I might have to use the checkerboad patten pen though, it's just too funky to leave out. Then again I might not.
Regards T (is that too formal)
Nothing much going on at the Painter List, this is definately where the action is.
Do you think Athena would mind if I move a sofa in here? Or maybe a silk parachute hanging from the floor above, a couple of psychedelic posters and a black light.
Maybe Panfer's computer hung up on the 276k Ganga jpeg. It was an accident, I saw 76 secs and thought it said k's. However it does keep out the riff raff.
I'm not so sure about your numbering system Jinn, I thought the original post was like a mezzanine level.
THink
T.H.,
Yep, 3 x 20 secs. (or whatever feels like 20 secs.)... (or as close as we can come to 20 secs.) ...(nobody's checking, really).
got my first one done. it pays to stay up all night. editor's konked out now.
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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T.H.,
Heard about your canary on the way down here to level 21. Please accept my condolances.
Yep, 3 x 20 secs. (or whatever feels like 20 secs. )...(more or less)...(nobody's keeping track, really).
Have my first one done. Waiting for energy now.
Try not to breathe much. This will be over soon.
over and out (that too military?)
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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I was hoping you'd show me yours first. Ok standard checkerboard pattern pen 20 seconds, wiggly captured pattern brush 15 seconds, bevelled eye hose 10 seconds.
I know it's pretty crap but you wait till I get it framed, I'll put it above the sofa so I can watch it glowing from my bean bag.
T
T.H.,
You make me so ashamed.. sticking to the rules like that. Neat image, especially done in less than a minute! I 'specially like your Captured Brush designs and love the way you used the
Checkerboard Pattern/Pattern Pen and how it breaks up, goes in different directions, and the varied perspective (and the gradient too!).
You see... I have this problem (people tell me all the time). I got this idea after the Nozzle and well.. the problem is.. quitting is not my forte.
IOU one 3 x 20 sec image for real. Here's what I did, anyway.. just for the 'elluvit.
Report first:
Nozzle (brown things see if you can figger them out) - 20 seconds to spray them, about 15 minutes to make the Nozzle.
Pattern Pen (from my own pattern made a long time ago and don't remember now .. brown cow) 20 seconds to paint the background.
Captured Brush (banners) - about 15 **minutes** to make the brush, a whole lot longer, maybe an hour, to figure out what settings to use (Impasto Color and Depth), place them, draw the "handles"and apply Composite Methods to them.
Then, of course I had to fiddle with my logo and decided to use a bigger one drawn in Illustrator because I liked how the lines interlaced with the Nozzle part when Composite Method Luminosity was applied.
Sorry about my lack of control. Will try to do better. Here it is:
http://www.pixelalley.com/painterfor...-x-3-final.jpg
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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[This message was edited by Jinny Brown on June 28, 2001 at 02:30.]
Telonious,
OK.. here's my 20/20/20 second image.
Nozzle Layer was set to Composite Method Overlay, so here's what my Nozzle looks like at Default:
http://www.pixelalley.com/painterfor...e4-forreal.jpg
Pattern Pen, used with one of my own Patterns, for the background, painted with a large brush Size, the Layer selected, and Define Pattern checked.
Captured Brush is a Pen drawing of my smile (slightly distorted to look extra lovely), Impasto Draw to: Color and Depth Method: Original Source (another one of my Patterns snipped from a painting).
The image:
http://www.pixelalley.com/painterfor...-3-forreal.jpg
Now I feel much better. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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I thought you were going to leave me stranded for a while. When I look at your image it looks like I've fallen off a tall building and the pavement is coming towards me, fast, and I can see my whole life there embedded in the pavement flashing before my eyes.
I'm surprised you commented on the pattern pen. When I first got painter I spent days dragging this default pen around the canvas. I still never get bored with it. You can really get lost drawing over and over changing all the time impermanent like a Tibetan sand painting.
only eight levels, to go by the way Jinn who's doing this killer tut anyway?
How 'bout we decide the tutorial's aboutness first?
"Jinn"
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Jinn,
haven't you learned you lesson, do you want to be up for days on end?
Thems fightin' words, I can feel a competition coming on.
Western society is very competitive, its unhealthy, with your siblings then all through school. It encourages this notion to compare oneself and everyone make a negative self judgement as it is.
That said, I like the sound of it, let's think of a title (maybe the reader could chip in with a suggestion) and maybe have a tut comp.
We always seem to get suggestions for little art comps all over the talkgraphic forum. You know the type, "let's all draw a mythological creature buying a footmassager at Walmart". The more I think about it the better it sounds.
thelonious
That's what I'm doing. Just need to know what it's about first.
hmmm...
it may be days on end.. er.. it already has been...
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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I was hoping you'd make a suggestion. Or our loyal reader who has looked at this post 400 times already. Who is this loyal reader, do you think it's Panfer. I want to dedicate the upcoming tut to Panfer anyway. Panfer if you can hear me, it's time to come out of the closet. The knife was excellent.
Whoever's going to suggest the tut had better get a move on, the pavement is coming up quickly.
Perhaps Jinn after all your tutorials everyone knows everything.
BTW I was having a look at the wacom tips page http://www.wacom.de/Fun/pt-1.htm
and there was a good one on setting your pen button for the brush size shortcut.
If the brush size circle was a little more predictable it'd be a real corker. However it's still useful.
thelonious
Hi again,
Try using the [ and ] keys to size the brush in tiny increments. If you hold either of them down, the brush continues to get larger (])or smaller ([).
Um.. I doubt if anyone knows everything about Painter, and certainly not from my tutorials. I don't begin to know everything (about Painter, that is). [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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This is a tough subject. And with the intellect we've been amassing here, we may be able to generate some useful ideas about composition.
Please let's not consider this a competition [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] (you don't want to shame your moderator, do you? Let her do that on her own [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] )
But this is such vast subject, kind of like the group of blind men around the elephant, each with a different description of what the elephant is like (one describes the elephant's leg, the other his ear, the other his trunk, and still another his tusk). Each one has a part of the truth, but not the whole truth.
(I'm not calling anyone blind [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] I'm just saying that composition is a vast topic. It is very hard to put into words. Some people will say, "you either understand it or you don't." I think that kind of attitude is nonsense. . . .next they'll be saying "artistic ability. . . you either have it or you don't" Some people have been observing and drawing their surroundings or things from their imagination for years. . . and I mean, YEARS. . .so of course they do better work. Everyone can learn if they practice long enough and have sufficient insight on where to improve next [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] .
I'm going to be needing help from people here because I can pretty much guarantee I'll miss something (or many somethings on this discussion.) I like to be as accurate as I possibly can be. But let's just expect that I'll miss something and be pleasantly surprised if I actually get it right. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Just thought I'd let you know what I'm working on and have anyone interested in sharing put their thinking caps on. Hope to get this in by midnight my time which will be 5am GMT july 3rd.
Thanks,
Athena
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Hopefully I'll give y'all lots of places to spring from [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] (or at worst lots of targets to shoot at).
Or whatever it is they do to deep sea divers so they don't get the bends.
Um.. how about moving this topic up to the top of a new one? It's getting to be a pain waiting for page 2 to load.
Besides, I thought I saw a rat scurrying past. It's spooky down here in the basement.
Athena,
I'll be interested to read what everyone offers on the subject of composition. Good idea.
[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Well, composition is about seeing. And todays tutorial will be on using photography (digital or trad) to get a feel for it. Seeing, I believe can be learned. First of all a grounding in the fundamental nature of reality is useful so go and get that first, I'll wait.... OK ready? here we go.
The big picture in this case will be your backyard. We are going to take a roll of film, and the composition will take place in the viewfinder. We'll be thinking about texture, balance, lighting, colour but also your emotional reaction to the subject. Other people's ideas of beauty will be tossed out the window. This is your personal view of the world. That is what will determine the subject but you are going to have an eye on composition as well. Be aware of what draws your attention, what shapes do you see.
Move in CLOSE think of the viewfinder frame as a painting frame. Try to get to a point where your eye tends to wander all over the image and is not overly dragged to a particular point. If it feels this is happening see if you can somehow determine the cause and fix it in a way that has the least impact on the shot.
For example a dark area may be unbalancing the shot. Maybe you can reposition slightly to have a bit less of it, or perhaps a slight change in angle will introduce a small bit of light that will do the trick. See what slight changes in angle or perspective do, take a couple of variations.
Take lots of different shots and treat the objects more as abstract shapes. If you like the look, shape, texture, colour of something then shoot it. Take out everything superfluous.
After you get the shots back examine them dispassionately to see what worked and why.
Later at about level 105 we will see how to hone our skills with reportage style shots where decisions need to be made very quickly.
Here is a shot taken amidst a crowd of 250,000 not retouched or cropped.
thelonious
Sorry Jinn too late
PS I do use the [ ] keys usually but sometimes it's good if the keyboard can be eliminated altogether.
[This message was edited by Thelonious Hink on July 03, 2001 at 08:37.]
"I just want Panfer to lift this curse, I fear I'll never see the blue sky and a river with a waterfall again."
Sorry about your bird.
You guys are artists where as I am just a newbee at lavel one, admiring your work and wondering how "I" can do 10th of you can do with my P classic.
Cheers
Thelonious,
You early bird, you!
What a wonderful post on composition! Thankyou [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
May I copy it to the thread on composition? This will leave the original here. It should be a duplicate post. I'll explain below that I duplicated the post.
Athena
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Panfer!
How nice of you to drop in (down) to see us way down here. I'd say you're at level 37 but Thelonious says the first post is actually the mezzanine so that'd place you at level 36. In any case, we're soon to move to page three of this thread, after the second page of 20 posts (two more to go after this one which is level 38 or 37 depending on whether or not you believe Thelonious about the mezzanine thing).
Are you going to join in the discussion of composition? Athena's sure to have some interesting insights to offer to those Thelonious has just given us.
Personally, I find a lot of texture in Thelonious' photo. Just look at all those grids and rivots. The sky is lovely too, just to top things off. And... the interesting right-angle directions the two humans are facing.
I do hope we can move to a "continued from" new thread so we can see the light of day for a while. Don't know if you've seen rodents down here.. but I'm almost sure I have. Basement's don't do much for my mood.
Well, Panfer, it is good to see you and I hope you'll stick around this thread to add some light to the atmosphere.... or anything else you feel like adding. It seems there are no firm rules here. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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