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splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
hello,
as an Xara-Newbie I try hard to learn.
But today, my limit is rechead...
I have created the following Logo:
http://www.osnoxe.de/logo2a.jpg
Now I would like to split the part where the text is.
Split it in three segments.
Each segment should have the same size.
After this, each of the segments should be filled with another color.
Could anybody please tell me, which way to go?
Many many thanks
Holger
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Maybe there's a better way, but this is how I would end up doing it.
A. Create a verticle line and have it centered in the circle - use the Object alignment tool.
B. Select the line and simply stretch it so it goes beyond the edge of the circle.
C. Clone the line and rotate 90° - (you can enter that value for "Angle of selection" in the toolbar at top in Xara)
D. Select a line and with the pen tool, make it into a shape - do that for both. (Shapes are made transparant just for the example)
E. Select circle and one of the shapes and slice (cut) shapes [Ctrl+4]
F. Select both halves of the circle plus remaining shape and cut shapes [Ctrl+4]
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Similar to Bob's but with just the outer sliced :)
('scuse me Bob)
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Example using Quick Shape tool in XXP for all elements and splitting in three, equal, segments.
Cheers, Anders
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Re: splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
WOW! This is great.
What amazing kind of forum is this?
I expected something like "Mhmm, maybe you print the circle and then cut it with a scissor and then..." :rolleyes:
And what is that thing I got from you? Three excellent solutions, illustrated an at the point!
A foreigner, for the first time at the board, is asking you something - and you gave all to help me. This is so great. Again: Wow!
I would really like to say: THANK YOU. Very much.
Best Regards
Holger
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You are most welcome anytime, Holger. Good luck with your project.
Cheers, Anders
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Holger
I would really like to say: THANK YOU. Very much.
Best Regards
Holger
Y'welcome.
'Tis what the forum is for ... well, apart from ego-tripping in the Gallery.
:rolleyes:
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Re: splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
Hello, I had little time to work on the logo, but now I do.
And - of course - there are questions.
I followed the hints of Anders 205.
Step 1 to 4 where okay, I could answer all questions by myself after try a little bit something.
I did it so far:
http://www.osnoxe.de/logo1.jpg
But now the following step is a problem for me:
Anders 205 said: "Select what's left of starred shape and convert Line to Shape"
How to select "what's left"?
I can click in Selector Tool Modus on the left, but is this selection? It is only a click, isn't it?
And how to "convert Line to shape"? Which steps I must do to reach this aim?
Thank you very much
Holger
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And how to "convert Line to shape"?
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Damned Greenhorn, I am!
I hope, I offended no religious feelings with this words, but it explains how I feel. Every step is harder then the one before and I feel like a man in a swamp.
Okay, I understod how to convert a line to shape. Thanks Intbel!
But How to make a part of the whole work to a shape, when the part is made of lines and curves?
I tried, but got this:
http://www.osnoxe.de/logo1a.jpg
How to select the one-third part of the logo to make it a shape?
I used the Shape Editor Tool. Following straight lines is okay, but how to catch the curve?
Many thanks again to you, the helpers!
Holger
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Re: splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
Dear Holger, did you manage to split the circle into segments? Raymond helpfully rushed to your assistance in localising the Convert-Line-to-Shape function from the Arrange menu. In your latest screen-shot the circle is not filled, and the line does not look like what's remaining of the starred shape. That's why I am asking myself if you successfully were able to make the segmentation as intended.
Please allow me to give you my best possible advise on your path learning the basic Xtreme Pro tools. When you are exposed to words, phrasings, and prog terminology not yet familiar to you, get used to look them up from, or write them in, the Xara Help menu. It's a reliable source for knowledge. There are also excellent Xara Team movie-clip tutorials available, and they are pedagogically outstanding and cover the basics and vaulable tips. Gary Priester, and several other experienced Xara Team, Xara Xone, and Xara Forum members, offer magnificent hands-on guidance with well made how-to tutorials. The Xara Forum is a rich source for mastering Xtreme Pro and other Xara products. Use the Forum 'Search' function and search for anything related to your graphic queries, and you are bound to find inspiring answers.
As soon as you are becoming more accustomed with Xtreme Pro you will, like many others, find the prog, and related progs, being among the very best companions ever in your creative endeavours, and with all possible assistance at your finger-tips.
You do have another help opening. Ask for a finished, segmented circle to be attached for you to pick up, and to scale by yourself for your project at hand. You will learn nothing from it, but it will make your project run.
Cheers, Anders
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Re: splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
Dear Anders205, thank you very much for your answer.
As far as I could translate your answer, I have to say: right you are.
At first, a Nebwbie like me has to learn the basics and after this, and not before, I should ask for special solutions. How could I understand the hints, when I don't know the basics? A question, I had better answered before my posting here.
My main problem is the langugage. English is hard to understand for me without dictionary and with it, I produce pidgin-english.
Much harder is it for me to understand the technical phrases.
For example: my translation software doesn't know the word "Stellation".
Okay, I searched for it in the help. The only topic I found which is containing "Stellation" is called "Moving the star points on a star-shaped polygon".
If I need assistance for understanding, what "Stellation" is, this is not really helpful.
For a long time, I had the hope, that Xara will localize the programm, but XaraXtreme was not released in german language. Mala suerte.
But I don't want to cry like a baby.
I of course now see, that it is not the function of the artists in this forum to take Newbies by the hand and lead them trough the dark forrest ;-)
Is there a beginners-forum, where such basics could be discussed?
Anyway, I will learn more and more, every day a little bit more than the other, and I thank you for your understanding and friendly words to me!
All best wishes
Holger
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Re: splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
Anders, thank you for that fine tut. I learned quite a bit from that.
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Holger
The only topic I found which is containing "Stellation" is called "Moving the star points on a star-shaped polygon".
You're on the right track there, Holger! When using the Quick Shape Tool various tools are exposed in the tool head, as showed in image below. In the dropdown list you can see the "Stellation radius & offset" (showing stellation radius 39,6 and offset 0). By setting stellation radius =0 the nodes (points) closest to the center on the starred shape collapses all the way to the center. Try this by setting value to 20 and 10 and you will see the collapsing process result.
Hope this helps. I also hope, that you will not have the impression that I am giving up on you in your efforts trying to finalise the solution. I do not give up on you! I am trying to force you to "trial-and-error" procedures. There is nothing better in the learning process.
Cheers, Anders
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Glad to read that it was inspiring, Drifter! (And, of course, thanks to Holger for bringing it up).
Cheers, Anders
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Anders, your method using quick shapes for chopping pie pieces is really a great tip! Very innovative.
It is is accurate, it doesn't have the inherit chance of screwing up when rotating/positioning multiple lines or shapes, and is fast because you only have to follow a few steps.
Gary P., can you add this to the XaraXone's tips and tricks, please?
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Well, jclements, I do think that it is the Xara developers who are entitled to the credits. The method is all there in the prog, available and ready to be used for this and several other purposes.
The simple tut, by my hand, requires a little bit of fine-tuning in the end stage, especially for the below average user. I am referring to the modifying of the segment line widths, just after the cutting up process, in order to make segment ends meet with precision. And, how this affects the possible need for scaling of the final art work with line width scaling in on or off position.
Thanks for the thumbs up!
Cheers, Anders
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Hope this helps. I also hope, that you will not have the impression that I am giving up on you in your efforts trying to finalise the solution.
Hello Anders 205,
YES, it helps! Very much, and I have to say thank you again and again.
It is good for me to see again, how hard it is to learn something new. And to see, what a help from a third part could only be in the learning process: assistance, a endorsement to to it myself.
I think, that I will come back later with other problems, but while writing this, my printer is printing the manual and I will use it site by site to train the basics.
All best wishes
PS:
Dear Anders 205, just a little example of my problems with the english language:
today, after weeks of don't understanding one thing you sad in your tut, I finally (with help from a friend) checked out what your "click what's left of the form" means.
I translated it with: "click on what is ON THE LEFT OF starred shape" - and so I never got the "Combine..." submenu.
Now I know, it means "click on what is LEFT OVER from the shape" - and so I could follow the tut until the end.
Xara: please localize your Xtreme!!!!!
Holger
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Haaa...ah Holger! You are persistent and you won't give up! Good show, I like that attitude!
Oh yes, indeed, languages and unsought interpretation can even provoke wars, on the political scene. Not only languages, also religious and cultural discrepancies can be delicate matters when misunderstanding occurs. The moral sense: Don't take anything for granted, or, the Xara Forum sort things out for many on the global scene!
Cheers, Anders
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*direct with my forefingers on my swollen chest with pride, while turning around*
"Who's the Man? Who's the Man?"
Yes, it finally happened! With all of the help here in the forum, my logo is ready.
Especially I want to say a big big THANK YOU to Anders 205!
I've learned much about Xara AND myself while trying to solve the problem.
And I feel, that a little bit of the unbroken american spirit, the dishwasher-millionaire-thing, that power to accept no limits, a little bit of this is gone over to my person.
Look at this, the Logo for our first local Wolfes&Dogs-Days:
http://www.osnoxe.de/endfassung-bgw.jpg
Thank you all!
Holger
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Who wears the pants?
Who holds the key?
Who gets it done when no-one else can?
that in the final act, God willing,
its Holger who gets top billing.
LOL
Cheers, Anders
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Bleh .. just spent a few minutes putting this together, now seems I am too late.
Posting it anyways - it may be useful for someone.
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Knock, knock... Hey, Raymond, are you still in there? We're all finished up in here an' it's late. Time to hit the sack, pal. See you in another thread!
Good night and sleep tight, Anders
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Nice to see several different solutions to give the same result. Thanks guys.
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As you are bringing it up, Doc, I'd say that your point is definitely right, generally speaking. The urge for different solutions to a given problem make the creative juices flow and add the ability to deal resourcefully with problems. As long as the solutions are focusing on the real problem at hand. If not targeting the specified and defined problem, a set of creative solutions are probably landing out-of-bounds unintentionally. They may open new areas of the problem but they move all the same towards an unintended goal.
Holger, when initiating this thread, is giving an illustrated presentation of his case and specifying his problem in text. The subject line only is not, actually, targeting in on the real problem. Resolving the problem requires to read the text and in the best possible way interpret the illustration in order to reach a problem definition--"Splitting a (filled) circle in rotational-three-split, equal, segments and fill the parts with different colors".
Bob and Raymond, both with renowned, outstanding technical and creative capacity, are in my opinion, and respectfully expressed, not targeting the real problem in their contributions in the case. The have diverted from the problem definition, the real problem that is. But, as you are calling the attention to it, Doc, they have actively contributed to the dynamics in this glorius Xara forum. On the other side, it is perhaps worth mentioning what we all are aware of, the good intentions are not always enough in problem solving.
Cheers, Anders
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Re: splitting a circle in segments and fill the parts?
Splitting a filled circle in optional number of equal segments.
Use the Starred Shape with QuickShape Tool in Xtreme Pro to split a filled circle in 3, 4, 5, 6, or more equivalent segments. The example below demonstrates a three-segment split.
http://web.telia.com/~u24708742/XaraSegmentSplit.jpg
Have fun!
Cheers, Anders
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Way cool, Anders! Thanks.
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It's my pleasure, Allison!
Keep smiling.
Anders
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Splitting a circle in optional number of equal, and filled, segments. Method #2.
The method #2 employs the Blend Tool in Xtreme Pro to split a circle in 3, 4, 5, 6, or more equivalent and filled segments. This example demonstrates a twelve-segment split. The method is, to my finding, not as accurate in the splitting process as the previous QuickShape Tool method, but fully workable. Try it out for yourself, when tempted.
http://web.telia.com/~u24708742/XaraSegmentSplit2.jpg
Enjoy!
Cheers, Anders
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nice one, saved them both :)
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The long-time traditional method of cutting up a filled circle in equal segments is still to come. The basic methods #3 and #4, covering the splitting up in even numbers and odd numbers of segments, are involving a bit of simple calculating and repetitive work. I will demo them here tomorrow.
Please stay around, Suunto, there is more coming up to your circle-to-segment splitting collection!
G'nite, Anders
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Anders 205
Splitting a circle in optional number of equal, and filled, segments. Method #2.
Cheers, Anders
Thanks Anders 205, it is nice indeed.
Could you please tell us more about producing these colorful segments?
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Will gladly do that, Ren2980. There's artistically nothing very spectacular about the samples, really. Just meant to be an imagination teaser.
Item #1: All selected, line applied, width to fill segment gaps, selection de-selected, segments color filled, segment line colored same as segment, all grouped, object rotated 15°.
Items #2 and #3: No line applied, all grouped, Flaming Pear filter applied.
Item #4: All grouped, segments colored, line applied, line brush applied.
Item #5: All grouped, segments colored, fat line applied and background colored.
Item #6 (parachute alike): Inner circle deleted, no line applied, all grouped, sectors colored, two thin circle help lines drawn--one same diameter as sector object, another somewhat smaller--selected all and center aligned objects, de-selected all, ungrouped sector object, selected a sector and Shape Editor tool, zoomed in on sector, deleted all but two outer points on sector arc, dragged each of the two remaining arc corner points towards center and dropped them on inner circle help line, center of arc dragged to outer circle help line, repeated for all sectors, when finished deleted the two circle help lines.
Item #7: Inner circle deleted, now only sectors, no line applied, all selected, Flaming Pear filter applied.
Item #8: Inner circle deleted, now only sectors, no line applied, all selected, sector color applied.
Anything goes!
Cheers, Anders
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Splitting a filled circle in an even number of equal segments. Method #3.
Employing line cloning and repetitive rotation. Example with a 12-segment split (showing sectors only).
http://web.telia.com/~u24708742/XaraSegmentSplit3.jpg
Cheers, Anders
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Splitting a filled circle in an odd number of equal segments. Method #4.
Employing line cloning and repetitive rotation. Moving the line rotation center with the Transformation center 3x3 matrix on the Selector tool InfoBar. Example with a seven-segment split (showing sectors only).
http://web.telia.com/~u24708742/XaraSegmentSplit4.jpg
Cheers, Anders
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Anders...
These are truly educational. I saved them all, then printed a hard copy to keep in my files for frequent reference.
Putting these tutorials together was a lot of work, and I, for one, certainly appreciate it!
Thanks very much indeed!
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Will
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Coming from you, Will, your appreciation is a true honour! Xtreme Pro is a challenger for any graphic enthusiast, I believe, to do it faster and smarter what has previously been attempted to be made in other vector apps. It's really fun to take hold of that kind of challenge.
Cheers, Anders
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Anders, you are quite right.
I'm in the planning stages for a graphic that I want to make, a fairly ornate Compass Rose design. I will be using it on a web page talking about the ancient correspondences of the four natural elements (earth, air, fire and water) with the cardinal compass points.
You have given me some very good ideas. I'm currently thinking of doint the entire page with a wood-grain background, then putting my compass rose in as marquetry.
When I finish, I will post it in the Xara Gallery, but it probably won't be for about a month. Things are picking up here, with visiting family and our month-long Renaissance Faire, and three new web-page clients in the past week!
And I thought retirement was going to be relaxing...
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Will