I'm not the best at working with graphics, it takes me a while to get things worked out, to be honest I can be a bit of a perfectionist to a fault at times and when I was not getting the results that I wanted or liked, I found a site where for a nominal fee you pick from a list and have the person make it. While this person did a great job on my Logo, I had to pick from a few options and the one I wanted was 3D. I was then told that "All professional designs in words are flat 2d designs and Vector files would be provided for flat design" but I seen many 3D Logos and designs that are 3D, once the final Logo was given to me, I now have .ai, .eps, .psd .png, .pdf.
While I can open the .psd and .png files in Xara Photo & Graphic Designer 10 and Xara Xtreme Pro 5 I can't really make the edits I would like, its as most of the logo was turned in to a Photo and all I can do is crop it except for one part of it that is not a normal letter "O" it's more of a star, I'm able to use the 3D tool but it keeps turning the shape in to an extruded box shape, the colors get all washed out kinda and I have yet to figure out to correct this. I do not have a Adobe Illustrator and it appears that is what was used to re-make the Logo.
I have the 3D mockup but that does me no good really. Attachment 107845
I created my version of the Star Attachment 107849 but again when I try to make it 3D it auto fills in the center of the star and I get a boarder that I can't get rid of. That is why I used the service mentioned above, the star I created was re-designed in the attached image. And all are transparent and 300 dpi.
Any ideas or suggestions, assistance would be greatly appreciated.
05 June 2015, 07:11 AM
Rik
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The image of the Star, you've added in your post, does not appear to have a transparent background.
So, if I was to use the 3D tool, then I will get a square.
If I cut the circular shape out of the square, then use the 3D Tool, this is what I get. Attachment 107850
05 June 2015, 07:48 AM
SgtDre
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Thank you for the quick reply and assistance
I May have uploaded the incorrect file, I have a set of a progression files as work to keep track of what I'm doing or make an error.
I just quickly put the file in to Xara Photo & Graphic Designer 10 and dumped two other images in to it and set to back.
Attached is .PNG and .XAR if either of these are still not showing up with a transparent background, there must be something being not getting processed properly, because when I get the pop up to set DPI and file type, the transparent box is checked, or I'm not doing something correctly. If I can figure this out then maybe I can figure out how to get the entire Logo to look like the 3D mockup image but at 300 DPI and the re-designed Star. Attachment 107851Attachment 107852
05 June 2015, 08:18 AM
Rik
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I will have a look at your .xar file, later.
But, you could, if you wanted, redraw the logo yourself.
Yes. It does take a bit of time. But, if you draw it in Xara, then you can do anything with it.
Attached, may not be a true reproduction, but, you can see that in just a short while, you can recreate your design.
Then position it as you want, in any orientation!
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
The image may be on a transparent background, but, the 3D Tool will still see it as a square/rectangle.
You would have to create the image in Xara, with transparent parts, then use the 3D tool.
You could cut the transparent background and the star shape out (even though they are transparent) and then when you use the 3D Tool, you would not get the square shape.
Many of the experts on the forum might be able to give you an answer as to what else you can do, but, I would say that it's still easier to recreate your design in Xara.
Then you have the freedom to do what you want.
05 June 2015, 03:15 PM
SgtDre
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
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Originally Posted by Rik
I will have a look at your .xar file, later.
But, you could, if you wanted, redraw the logo yourself.
Yes. It does take a bit of time. But, if you draw it in Xara, then you can do anything with it.
Attached, may not be a true reproduction, but, you can see that in just a short while, you can recreate your design.
Then position it as you want, in any orientation!
Now that looks clean and sharp, it even looks crisper/sharper than the person who I shelled out Duckets to, to re-create or improve on what I made. You sir have a talent that I am lacking, even that Red White and blue star I made took me some time to make it look as is. A lot of it as shear luck to be honest. I will have to do a bit of reading on how to make it with transparent parts.
05 June 2015, 04:42 PM
wizard509
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Rik, maybe you should do a tutorial for him. SgtDre to get transparent parts, as in Rik's example, once you create the rounded star shape make the other star and center the two then with both selected subtract shapes. That will leave you with a star shaped hole in the middle of the rounded star shape. At this point colors do not make any difference although I would start with a red rounded star, and some other color the the cutout star so you can see where it is. When everything is finished to your satisfaction export in a format that supports transparencies such as png with alpha.
Sorry Rik, hope I'm not stepping on your toes.
05 June 2015, 05:47 PM
Rik
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Larry: You're not stepping on anyone's toes.
You're helping a member of the forum, as I'm trying to do.
As for a tutorial? Looks like you've already volunteered yourself.
However, the member would have to tell us exactly what needs to be created?
05 June 2015, 07:49 PM
wizard509
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Very gracious of you Rik.
05 June 2015, 08:17 PM
SgtDre
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Originally Posted by Rik
Larry: You're not stepping on anyone's toes.
You're helping a member of the forum, as I'm trying to do.
As for a tutorial? Looks like you've already volunteered yourself.
However, the member would have to tell us exactly what needs to be created?
Rik & Larry I thank you very much for the assistance, I appreciate it very much.
The ultimate goal is to have the Logo that I paid to have re-designed as shown in the 3D mockup. Attachment 107860
But as of now all I have is Flat 2D Attachment 107861
that has a transparent background.
The (RWBstar with Dark Red Boarder) that I made is not bad, I kinda like it, But its a bit bland and Flat! Attachment 107862
but I have to admit that the Star shape in the re-designed logo is much better, Stands more and over all adds to the overall Logo Design. Attachment 107863
And it's this star shape that you Rik looked at and uploaded in Post #4 that I have been trying to make or at least edit the files I have to no avail. As to the Letters I have been able to figure out how to give them a 3D effect, it just that Star shape with the color scheme that I have had problems with.
I don't mind learning this, BUT, Give me a Computer to work on or build and I'm :cool:
05 June 2015, 09:06 PM
Rik
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
OK. I am assuming that you want the logo redrawn in Xara. Which can be done, quite easily.
But, 'easily' is a relative term.
I'll have a go at it, for you.
But, you'll have to start learning, sooner or later. And the sooner, the better.
And I understand completely when you say, "I don't mind learning this, BUT, Give me a Computer to work on or build and I'm :cool:"
But, you're still going to have to learn.
05 June 2015, 11:26 PM
Egg Bramhill
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
On the age old TG rule we won't do it for you but always willing to show you how, here's how I'd go about re-creating your star:
06 June 2015, 12:38 AM
roly
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Hi Egg, thank you very much for that excellent video. I learnt more in ten minutes than I did in the last 3 months of playing around.
Ciao
Roly
06 June 2015, 12:43 AM
Egg Bramhill
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
My pleasure Roly. I must get the audio sorted out on my videos!
06 June 2015, 05:57 AM
SgtDre
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Originally Posted by Rik
OK. I am assuming that you want the logo redrawn in Xara. Which can be done, quite easily.
But, 'easily' is a relative term.
I'll have a go at it, for you.
But, you'll have to start learning, sooner or later. And the sooner, the better.
And I understand completely when you say, "I don't mind learning this, BUT, Give me a Computer to work on or build and I'm :cool:"
But, you're still going to have to learn.
Rik I thank you for your assistance, and I appreciate it very much, I was not expecting nor was I ever looking for you or anyone to make it for me and if that is how I came off I do humbly apologize.
I guess I should have been much more clear in my posts, I was just trying to find out how to go about doing it, and yes I am trying to learn as best as I can. I have been working on other Logos and even completed and had it copyrighted already, well two versions of the same logo, to be printed on Tee shirts & other types of clothing, even had one made in to a patch, but these were very simple designs. Attachment 107867Attachment 107868
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On the age old TG rule we won't do it for you but always willing to show you how, here's how I'd go about re-creating your star:
Egg Bramhill
Good Golly Molly, I can't believe it, after watching the video you made you have taught me a lot and even gave me a better understanding of how to work with shapes. I can't thank you enough.
Thank you very much, I do really appreciate you taking time to do this. "More than you know"
06 June 2015, 10:45 AM
Rik
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Excellent video tutorial, Egg.
But... there's a small but.
Looking at the .psd file, the OP has attached, your method would not work. Though... if I was designing that 'Star' logo from scratch, I would definitely use your method.
If you look at the attached image, you will see that adding a line or using the Contour Tool would not get the required result.
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Hi Rik, I'd not looked at the .psd file previously. The logo within that file is just 5 bitmaps which is no use to man nor beast.
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If you look at the attached image, you will see that adding a line or using the Contour Tool would not get the required result.
Not following you there at all?
06 June 2015, 03:28 PM
mwenz
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Egg,
I think once you bust apart the contour, change the fill to nothing and outline it, then overlay the bitmap you'll see the issue.
Bitmaps are wholly useful. If I had to do this, I would either just manually draw on top of it, or begin with a contour and then overlay the bitmap and make manual adjustments.
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Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
Hi Rik, I'd not looked at the .psd file previously. The logo within that file is just 5 bitmaps which is no use to man nor beast.
Can't agree with you there. I can use the 5 bitmaps to recreate the exact logo.
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Not following you there at all?
Ignore this one.
I forgot that you can adjust the inner point of the 'Star' shape to get the right angles.
So, using the Contour Tool, you can get the right shape.
06 June 2015, 03:37 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
What you cannot do without manual tweaking are the radiused corners. Still need to overlay, add points and radius them.
06 June 2015, 03:42 PM
Rik
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What you cannot do without manual tweaking are the radiused corners. Still need to overlay, add points and radius them.
I think I know what you're talking about, Mike.
What I did was to use a star shape with rounded corners, to cut those bits out of the shapes.
(Green star, with rounded corners.)
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Sorry I'm late getting back in here to comment.
Great tutorial Egg.
Mike, great input from you as well.
EDIT: Rik you posted while I was, thank you for your illuminating input.
06 June 2015, 03:59 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Yes, more or less.
It's at times like this I need to evaluate--and discuss with the client--whether to keep the organic, not perfect appearance of the original versus correcting geometry and the parts that deviate from the others.
Personally, my vote would be for retaining the organic inconsistencies.
Mike
06 June 2015, 05:18 PM
theinonen
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Logo like this would be perfect example as a suitable image for autotracing, if it already exists in bitmap form and has decent enough resolution.
06 June 2015, 05:37 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
Just tried it. AI auto-traces it well. CD does OK. Tried in XDP and the first attempt crashed XDP. Second attempt created an ungodly number of nodes and isn't worth the effort.
But really, if one has the fonts, the only portion that needs redrawn is the Star which only takes a couple minutes to do and would be good practice--whether for a beginner to drawing vector or to keep one's skills sharp. Bank Gothic is the lower text. I have seen the main text before but cannot remember the font.
Mike
06 June 2015, 06:12 PM
Egg Bramhill
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
As peeps seemed to like the creating a star video I thought I'd take it to the next step, using the vectors to create the 3D effect and the difference between Xara Designer / Web Designers 3D effect and that offered by Xara 3D Maker 7.
06 June 2015, 06:32 PM
Rik
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Yes, Mike.
I don't know what that top font is either. I've used something that's close enough - it's called Penguin.
One thing I can't agree with you on, is when you say, "the only portion that needs redrawn is the Star which only takes a couple minutes to do".
It took me, more than a few minutes!
06 June 2015, 06:45 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
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Originally Posted by Rik
...One thing I can't agree with you on, is when you say, "the only portion that needs redrawn is the Star which only takes a couple minutes to do". It took me, more than a few minutes!
It took me ≤ 3 minutes to draw the star. It took more time to load the PSD into Illy, trace it, then bring it into XDP. Although I did keep the traced main logo text and reset the Bank Gothic as text.
But it ain't a race--I know you agree with that ;) . What was good for me, though, is more practice in drawing something other than the boring stuff I do draw.
Mike
06 June 2015, 07:06 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
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Originally Posted by Rik
I don't know what that top font is either. I've used something that's close enough - it's called Penguin...
Ah, yes, Peignot. So overused back in the 1990s I must have blocked it from my mind! Well, perhaps. Else I was too lazy to search my database...and it is one of the only lazy Saturdays I have had for a while.
Mike
06 June 2015, 07:25 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
So of course I loaded my Linotronic version of the font. Works great in, well, everyone except XDP. You see, there is no "regular" varient. There is Light, Demi and Bold variants. Which means that XDP doesn't see the light varient. Of course, that's the weight used in the logo. Oh, and in XDP there is no difference between the demi and bold varient either.
While I am not expecting great things in version 11, at least having a minor overhaul to the font system would be good. I mean, I don't think it's asking too much just to even use my fonts properly. And I'm not even talking about having acess to OT features here, just accessing the dang things.
06 June 2015, 07:49 PM
Rik
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
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Originally Posted by mwenz
Ah, yes, Peignot. So overused back in the 1990s I must have blocked it from my mind! Well, perhaps. Else I was too lazy to search my database...and it is one of the only lazy Saturdays I have had for a while.
Mike
That's interesting to know that it's Peignot.
But, I don't know what the designer did in the original design?
If I try Peignot, then it's too thin, and if I try Peignot Demi, then that too fat.
06 June 2015, 08:21 PM
mwenz
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Originally Posted by Rik
That's interesting to know that it's Peignot.
But, I don't know what the designer did in the original design?
If I try Peignot, then it's too thin, and if I try Peignot Demi, then that too fat.
It isn't a perfect match. I suppose CD still has the Penguin rip-off but I'm not going to hunt it down, install it, and check it against the bitmap. A quickie Google search finds a bunch of redrawn, ripp-offs and other variants--but variants from what foundry/version I don't know without downloading and opening them up (and likely some have that info stripped anyway).
Type is the one thing I would always replace in a redraw if at all possible. And here with this logo, if I were redoing it, I would likely use Peignot and "sell" the swap to the client. I also didn't overlay Bank Gothic. There were a few (maybe 4) major foundries that had versions at one time. If I had to purchase it again or needed updated, wider number of variants int he family, I would pick up FontHaus' redrawn and expanded versions.
Mike
06 June 2015, 08:32 PM
SgtDre
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Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
As peeps seemed to like the creating a star video I thought I'd take it to the next step, using the vectors to create the 3D effect and the difference between Xara Designer / Web Designers 3D effect and that offered by Xara 3D Maker 7.
I just watched this video and I'm wondering what kind of issue or what was giving you a hard with the star logo colors, as of now I do not have Xara 3D 7 but if does a better job as I seen in the video, I just drop a duckets to get.
Again another great video, thank you for showing what you were able to do. Also I was wondering what if each letter was done separately and then use the light tool to change the way 3D text looks and you might not have the effects as you stated.
SgtDre
06 June 2015, 08:46 PM
SgtDre
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Originally Posted by Rik
That's interesting to know that it's Peignot.
But, I don't know what the designer did in the original design?
If I try Peignot, then it's too thin, and if I try Peignot Demi, then that too fat.
In my OP, I did not upload the file types ie: .ai and .eps as I did not think they were relevant to my original question, for the fee that I was charged to redesign the entire logo It included several file types and the only files I uploaded were the .psd and the image of the mockup. I was even given a pdf version for some reason.
But you would like me to upload the .ai and .eps files let me know, I make the statement and ask only for the reason is that it seems like this Star Logo has sparked a healthy conversation that I did not expect and a lot of ideas are being floated around.
SgtDre
06 June 2015, 09:01 PM
mwenz
Re: Would like My Logo to be 3D But not Working out
No need that I can think of to upload the vector versions. There is no reason to redraw the logo at all. You should at least be able to open the PDF version and do with it as you want. Including the 3D stuff--at least if the 3D stuff is available in your versions. Guess I should have read the first post better than I did!
Mike
17 June 2015, 07:03 PM
SgtDre
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Originally Posted by mwenz
No need that I can think of to upload the vector versions. There is no reason to redraw the logo at all. You should at least be able to open the PDF version and do with it as you want. Including the 3D stuff--at least if the 3D stuff is available in your versions. Guess I should have read the first post better than I did!
Mike
First things first, Thank you Mike for your reply and info. I also want to thank all who have assisted and guided me on this project, I appreciate it very much, I also want apologize for this late reply, I have been busy trying to get other things done as well.
With all that said, I have been able get this project completed to a point that I either just forgo the 3D version and just stay with the 2D version, or use the 3D tool in Xara Photo & Graphic Designer 10 and add a few light effects to it.
I have tried to duplicate what egg did in the one video using Xara 3D Maker 7, and I have had no Joy. everything is all one color.
I tried
Copy and paste in to Xara 3D Maker 7 with no luck.
Import .xar & .png as well as .jpg & .web file formats with no luck.
For anyone that would like to see what I have done, I applied an opacity mask and clipped the image to some of the Text with a picture of a sheet of aluminum that has been sand blasted, I did this to give it a somewhat metal look to it. But it's not showing up in the PNG image, at least I can't see it. As it is right now it's 2D, I also attached the 3D version of the Star I made after watching the video Egg made. I t was a great help again thank you. Attachment 108214Attachment 108215Attachment 108216
18 June 2015, 09:01 PM
Rik
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Make the logo in Designer Pro. You could use any of the Xara drawing products to create the logo.
Save it as a .png image with transparent background.
Copy and paste the logo from Designer, into Xara 3D maker 7.
Having done that, go to 'Texture Options' and put a tick in the box for 'Texture'.
A window will open automatically.
Now navigate to where you saved the .png image.
Select it and click on 'Open.
Hey presto!
All you have to do now, is to adjust the lights, and the angles, and the extrusion etc...
19 June 2015, 11:14 PM
Gare
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I know I'm coming late to the party, but Peignot is one of the cleverest and attractive fronts that has been aruond since 1034 and was digitzed by Lino and Bitstream in around 1988.
Fashions have revivals avery 30 years or so, and so do musicals. Fonts fall out of favor, they come back in when an intelligent and tasteful art director sees it's not being used now, but it's high time.
My best information, for the best, street legal typefaces, there are only three weights:
No italic versions but you sometimes get away with a synthesized oblique font and if you need something in-between Light and DEmi, you can either take a $100 Font program from Font Lab caled the um...Type tool, and syntheze a "Narmal font from the Light one. This takes talent and patience. The other kludge is to use the Contour tool on the Demi weight so one Contour step with squared off edges, matches you ideal weight. Only goo for headline though, I'd think. You do NOT want to go writing paragraphs with Countoured shapes.
You ight as well but a page of Lettreset.
My Best,
Gary
19 June 2015, 11:23 PM
Gare
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KILLER TIP: When Xara 3D, like most modeling programs, extrudes a font, when you add a bevel it does so from the inside out, so in effect the font is a little fatter than before the extrude. To the best of my knowledge, CorelDRAW is one of the few progras that lets you put a stroke behind a fill and it remains slightly smaller. I guess Illy does that too, but that's not the point for extruding.