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New to all this 3D malarky
Hi all
Can anyone help me? Despite trying numerous programmes, ideas etc I am drawing a blank with getting my logo 3D and to spin. If anyone is experienced in this process i'd be ever so grateful if you could do this for me.
Not even sure how to upload my image on here - being a bit of a duffus!!
Hope someone can help me out.
Adey
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Re: New to all this 3D malarky
Hello Adey,
Sorry we do not do requests for free graphics.
We are very willing to answer questions so you can create the graphic yourself.
To attach an image to a post see the thread http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?t=33696
To give you a starting point in making your logo read the thead http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?t=27395
and
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?t=27403
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Thanks for your quick response and help.
I'll visit that thread that you mentioned about 'getting started'. Have tried to do an attachement, hope it's worked. Any advice on making this 3D and spin would be really helpful.
Thanks again
Adey
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If this is the best image you have, then I'm afraid you aren't going to get very far with Xara 3D. Firstly, you would really have to paste an image from Xara Xtreme into Xara 3D, and the poor quality of what you have cannot produce good results without hand tracing a vector image first in Xara Xtreme. Garbage in, garbage out, as they say. I have had a go at tracing your image, and it's a lot better, but you don't say if you have a program for making vectors. Here's the (non-spinning) result.
Saludos,
Bob.
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Hi Bob
That actually looks really good. I do have better images of this (jpegs) but it was too large to attach to here, so I had to reduce it down and hence lost some of the quality.
Love what you did to it, if that's what you can do to garbage, can't imagine what you can do to better quality.
How would I upload a better quality jpeg for you to look at?
Adey
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Adey G
How would I upload a better quality jpeg for you to look at?
It's not necessary. We don't do freebies at all. The rest is up to you. Please accept this rule.
Regards,
Remi
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Remi
I am not after a freebie, just advice.
Please accept my apologies if my requests have come across any other way. I didn't ask the kind gentleman before to create something for me, that was something he did off his own back.
Maybe you could reccomend the best programme that I could purchase to create both 3d and spinning graphics.
Thanks
Adey
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Adey G
I didn't ask the kind gentleman before to create something for me, that was something he did off his own back.
Adey your first post asked *anyone* to do this for you.
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If anyone is experienced in this process i'd be ever so grateful if you could do this for me.
Bill responded correctly and Remi has reminded you after you *infered* Bob might do better if you supplied a better image.
As you have posted in the Xara3D forum, it might have been assumed that you already (at least) have the trial version installed. However, it's plain you don't, so I'd recommend downloading the trial versions of Xara3d and Xara Xtreme then following some of Bills links in post #2.
Xara software is very easy to learn and TG is the place for helpful hints and advice.
Download Xara trials
Give it a go and keep in touch.
Cheers
sledger
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Obviously it wasn't my intention to 'break the rules'. I stumbled across this site having googled so many different things.
When I checked back after my posting Bill's message had appeared, so i assumed I would get no responses. When I logged on this morning I had the design arrive from Bob and just responded to the questions he asked.
As you have guessed I am a complete novice at this and am just after help and advice as I am just trying to improve our Scout District website with the one spinning logo.
I will have a look at the software you have reccommended and follow Bill's advice.
When I get stuck i'll ask for help on here and try not to break the rules again.
Apologies if i've offended anyone, as I said when I first posted the question I wasn't aware that freebies were not allowed.
Adey
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Re: New to all this 3D malarky
No offense taken Adey.
It is common for online discussion forums to expect that relative rules are first read before you post.
There is a sticky in this Xara3D forum which you may have missed which discusses a rule on requests:
Sticky: New rule on requests (please read before posting)
Obviously, moderators expected you to have read this.
Good luck and don't forget to post your efforts and any questions you have regarding Xara software.
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Hi Adey, I should have made it clear when I posted the graphic that it was to show you what was possible to achieve, hence a non-spinning version that couldn't be used as a freebie. You'll need to get to grips with Xara Xtreme's tools in order to trace your bitmap, so that you end up with a usable vector image that you can paste into Xara 3D. Xara Xtreme is very easy to use for this purpose, but it may take a while to get the hang of the shape editor tool for tracing. Getting the logo to spin in Xara 3D is the easiest part of the process. The tutorials that Bill has linked above by Mike Sims are very good. They will take the mystery out of the malarky (great word!). Good luck with the project. The trial versions last a month, that's much more time than you'll need. Once you see what great programs they are, I'm sure you'll want the full product. We look forward to seeing your progress.
Saludos,
Bob.
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Originally Posted by
iamtheblues
They will take the mystery out of the malarky (great word!).
Main Entry:
ma·lar·key
Variant(s):
also ma·lar·ky \mə-ˈlär-kē\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
origin unknown
Date: 1929
: insincere or foolish talk : bunkum
I guess TG has had a certain amount of foolish talk posted at times, but not something I think can be fairly applied to Xara Software :eek:
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I think a little moderation may be required to prevent too much malarky from continuing within this thread. :p:D
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Bringing this thread back into line and, again, using my naiveity. Could someone answer a basic question for me.
The 3d graphic that Bob kindly (albeit naughty) created for me (below) - is it possible with Xara to make that image spin? Basically has the hard work been done?
Sorry to sound so dumb, I am a complete novice when it comes to more technical stuff than just managing a website.
Hope one of you guys can help.
Adey
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answer 1:
xara 3D does not make images spin - it makes vector shapes spin
you need to trace your image in xara xtreme to produce the vector shape[s], which is what Bob has done - but what he posted is not the vector, it is simply another image to illustrate what he did
once you have loaded the vector shape[s] from xara xtreme into xara 3D you can then apply image[s] as a texture onto these shape[s] to give the detail
this is covered by the tutorials referrence above by Bill and Steve [sledger]
answer 2:
using xara xtreme's animation mode you can sort of make that image spin - but it will look nowhere near as good as using xara 3D
summary: - no, the hard work has not been posted up
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Thanks for your reply Steve.
Really think i'm in out of my depth here. I'll go down the 'paying someone to create it' route.
Thanks again
Adey
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Adey G
Really think i'm in out of my depth here. I'll go down the 'paying someone to create it' route.
Did you actually download the trials as suggested?
Did you even try to have a shot at it yourself? We're here to help when you need guidance with Xara3D or Xara Xtreme.
Once you start to learn how to use those applications, the doors open wider than your wallet ;)
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At the end of the day, you would need to pay for the xara 3D program as the trial has a watermarked background that is not removed until you purchase the product. [Xara xtreme is unrestricted for 30 day trial].
So it is your choice - if you see the need to learn this for future use, it is very easy once you have the method understood, but I know it may well look very hard at first if it is all new.
We will of course help if you decide to get the programs and do it for yourself :)
Either way, good luck.
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Originally Posted by
sledger
Did you actually download the trials as suggested?
Did you even try to have a shot at it yourself? We're here to help when you need guidance with Xara3D or Xara Xtreme.
Once you start to learn how to use those applications, the doors open wider than your wallet ;)
Blooming heck Sledger - wind your neck in:confused:! As I stated earlier, I am a complete novice, I am simply looking to make 1 logo 3D and spin and would probably never use the programme again.
As I mentioned again in an earlier post, I stumbled across this site after a google search for help.
I guess I shall ask one more question before bowing out and cancelling my subscription:
Does anyone know of a company or individual that can create my logo as a 3D image and make it spin so that I can use it on our website in return for payment (bearing in mind that we are a charity and don't have exhaustive funds, but do have a little money for such a venture)?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer this question and to all who have posted help and advice previously.
Adey
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Before you give up, I once made a very simple tutorial for this and it might help simplify things for you. It's post #7 in this thread:
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?t=23208
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Originally Posted by
Adey G
As I stated earlier, I am a complete novice, I am simply looking to make 1 logo 3D and spin and would probably never use the programme again.
TG specialises in complete novices.
But you might have mentioned in your first post that you don't have Xara3D installed and probably never will.
Thanks for wasting everyones time who tried to help.
Good luck.
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Adey,
It will probably cost more for you to pay someone to do it, than it will to buy the programme and do it yourself - it's a really inexpensive programme.
And if you do it yourself you will have learnt something too. As a bonus you will have some new software that you can play with.
However, as Sledger asked "Did you actually download the trials as suggested?" Your earlier answer suggests that you didn't. It's hard for us to help you if you don't/won't help yourself.
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My time was not wasted.
These forums are here to talk about and help with software issues.
If the issue should happen to be 'should I try this myself or not' I don't see that it makes the slightest scrap of difference.....;)
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Thanks for your 'grown up' response Steve - appreciate that.
Didn't intend to waste anyones time was hoping for, and got, some advice. If I get the time to download and play/learn (as so many others seem to have) then I will have a go. With work and family life I don't get a lot of opportunity to sit on the computer for long periods of time, so it will be a steady progress.
As a closing note I feel that some people on here need to take a few 'friendly lessons' (not you Steve) and maybe move away from their computers once in a while, get some fresh air and realise there is a world out there.
Thanks to those who have given advice - I will be sure to come back and use it when i've downloaded these programs.
Adey
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Ok, i've downloaded Xtreme and Xara 3d - I have opened up my jpeg into Xtreme - am I going the right way so far?
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Re: New to all this 3D malarky
what you need to do now is trace round the outer boundary of the shapes that you need to spin
Bob [drifter]'s quick tutorial here linked at post #22 above shows this done for a heart shaped object - but you will need to get familiar with how the shape editor tool works
in xara xtreme help menu there are movies that help with the basics
suggest you watch the three for absolute beginners and the under lines and shapes watch drawing lines with the shape editor tool
I would think you only need to trace round the perimeter of the shield and then the ribbon - which will give you two separate shapes - these are what you need for xara 3D
let us know how you get on :)
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Thanks Steve
The movies don't seem to want to work, so will attempt to follow drifters tutorial.
I'll keep you posted on my progress.
A
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you may need to download them - if you click help updates - it should check for this [amongst other things]
there is also Egg's video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8XgHkZo1J8
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Ok, so i've traced around my crest in xtreme and got a black crest now. 1st stage complete i guess.
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can you post up the xar file Adey - need to check what else may need doing first :)
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Re: New to all this 3D malarky
Again: There are tutorials available, in order to help you with your first steps.
Remi
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Whilst Mike's excellent tutorals are superb for the Xara3D aspect of spinning logos, this doesn't help a complete tyro to the world of graphics actually get the vector graphic ready to paste into Xara 3D, which is only touched upon in Part 2. They possibly don't know the difference between a palette knife and a bread knife and may need the occasional piece of advice to get off the ground before attempting the X3D tutorials.
Saludos,
Bob.
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You or other Xara 3D experienced users should create another tutorial and another one: Explain tasks from different perspectives and with different verbalisations. Do it for the masses and not only for a single user with repeating the same things from thread to thread again. Link to your tutorials. Motivate new users to use them. Make their start easier. And engage Xara to change their interface, in order to avoid all these questions, especially from new users (yes, there must be something wrong in the GUI, if we see so much questions about the basic principles).
Remi
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Here, here, well said remi. Mammoth task really, but still an excellent suggestion.
Saludos,
Bob.
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and we are expected to do this for free? :eek: [joke :D]
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Hi all
This is where i'm at so far - not bad for a first timer, but i'm sure i have a long way to go.
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Hi Adey! Don't go away, I'm just putting the finishing touches to a tutorial Part 1, which deals with the Xara Xtreme portion of the process. Everything's fine with yours so far, 30 minutes and the tutorial will be posted.
Saludos,
Bob.
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Here's a swift .jpg of the tutorial, and a .pdf.
Only a rough draft, the errors will be ironed out later.
The X3D portion will follow hopefully tonight or tomorrow morning.
EDIT: Here is the completed tutorial, 2 .jpg files hope you like it.
I don't seem to be able to upload the pdf files here as well as the .jpg files. please see following post
Saludos,
Bob.