Site fonts created using Xara Web Designer Prem not being correctly shown on internet

I have created pages which use Georgia font and some bold/italics.
They appear fine on Chrome in preview.
However, when they are uplifted everything is in Ariel normal.
I am using Fasthosts and this is what they are saying:

P: The issue is simple. I create pages on my website using Xara. I preview them in Chrome - and they look fine. However, when I upload them, the font is not Georgia and bold/italics are not shown. I have provided screen shots to illustrate what happens
C: It looks to me that the site has hardcoded references to fonts/css/images, which are not correct, so is instead returning 404 errors.
C: https://imgur.com/a/f8YfJ6T
C: I suspect that Xara is not creating an appropriate file path, and that when you are previewing it works because Chrome can access the local paths being references
Philip Wray: Not sure the errors you show are relevant. May I suggest you open the Home Page and navigate to the site map to see the pages which have loaded
C: I've just seen that you are one of our direct customers Phil. I will just pop you through to our direct support team.
C has disconnected.
Myrrh: Hi, my name is Myrrh. How may I help you?
Philip Wray: I am chatting about Incident: 201208-000337. This has been looked at by four consultants so far with no resolution.
Philip Wray: The issue is simple. I create pages on my website using Xara. I preview them in Chrome - and they look fine. However, when I upload them, the font is not Georgia and bold/italics are not shown. I have provided screen shots to illustrate what happens
File attachment upload has started.
The file fasthosts error 2.jpg (611.47KB) was received.
File attachment upload has started.
The file fasthosts error 1.Spp (1693.69KB) was received.
M: Please bear with me as I check.
M: It appears that this concern has been escalated to our engineers. Our engineers have confirmed that this is a scripting issue and not a server issue. Our engineers recommends using browser's developer tools as it makes it clear what the issue is.
P: Thanks for that. Please explain what a scripting issue means
P: And please explain how I use browsers development tools
M: It mean's the issue is with the script used on your site. As much as I want to, I'm afraid scripting is already beyond our level of support. I suggest that you speak with a web developer.
P: Are you saying the problem is with the Xara program
M: There's a chance the issue is in the codes used by the software. It is best to have the script used by a web developer.
P: I find it hard to believe that every XARA-created website has this issue - if that is what you are implying.
P: There are no comments on the Xara forum about this - apart from a suggestion to purge the server cache.
M: We will not be able to confirm if the issue relies in the application used to create your website since we do not support scripting. That is why it is best if you can have a web developer check the script used on your site to identify the cause of the issue.

The images below are of the preview and the uploaded page

I would appreciate your comments please

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Thinking about this, my untutored reaction is that they are throwing the issue at Xara coders. But as I wrote - this can't be true because every website created with Xara would not display properly - can it?
And when they talk about browser developers, I already right-clicked the site and then 'Inspect' and it says Font Ariel; Bold, normal; Italic, normal. It's only telling me what is patently obvious - not WHY it isn't displaying properly.
Please feel free to correct any of this.

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Originally Posted by ewraysure

I have created pages which use Georgia font and some bold/italics.
They appear fine on Chrome in preview.
However, when they are uplifted everything is in Ariel normal.
I am using Fasthosts and this is what they are saying:

P: The issue is simple. I create pages on my website using Xara. I preview them in Chrome - and they look fine. However, when I upload them, the font is not Georgia and bold/italics are not shown. I have provided screen shots to illustrate what happens
C: It looks to me that the site has hardcoded references to fonts/css/images, which are not correct, so is instead returning 404 errors.
C: https://imgur.com/a/f8YfJ6T
C: I suspect that Xara is not creating an appropriate file path, and that when you are previewing it works because Chrome can access the local paths being references
Philip Wray: Not sure the errors you show are relevant. May I suggest you open the Home Page and navigate to the site map to see the pages which have loaded
C: I've just seen that you are one of our direct customers Phil. I will just pop you through to our direct support team.
C has disconnected.
Myrrh: Hi, my name is Myrrh. How may I help you?
Philip Wray: I am chatting about Incident: 201208-000337. This has been looked at by four consultants so far with no resolution.
Philip Wray: The issue is simple. I create pages on my website using Xara. I preview them in Chrome - and they look fine. However, when I upload them, the font is not Georgia and bold/italics are not shown. I have provided screen shots to illustrate what happens
File attachment upload has started.
The file fasthosts error 2.jpg (611.47KB) was received.
File attachment upload has started.
The file fasthosts error 1.Spp (1693.69KB) was received.
M: Please bear with me as I check.
M: It appears that this concern has been escalated to our engineers. Our engineers have confirmed that this is a scripting issue and not a server issue. Our engineers recommends using browser's developer tools as it makes it clear what the issue is.
P: Thanks for that. Please explain what a scripting issue means
P: And please explain how I use browsers development tools
M: It mean's the issue is with the script used on your site. As much as I want to, I'm afraid scripting is already beyond our level of support. I suggest that you speak with a web developer.
P: Are you saying the problem is with the Xara program
M: There's a chance the issue is in the codes used by the software. It is best to have the script used by a web developer.
P: I find it hard to believe that every XARA-created website has this issue - if that is what you are implying.
P: There are no comments on the Xara forum about this - apart from a suggestion to purge the server cache.
M: We will not be able to confirm if the issue relies in the application used to create your website since we do not support scripting. That is why it is best if you can have a web developer check the script used on your site to identify the cause of the issue.

The images below are of the preview and the uploaded page

I would appreciate your comments please

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OK Philip, there is a lot to comment on here.

The principal one is the 404 errors are telling me you are publishing or FTPing only the HTM files and somehow you have lost the index_htm_files/ folder.
So, it boils down to you are publishing to the wrong place or you are not fully publishing the Xara rendered files.

You will therefore get the default Arial font as there is nothing else.
This explains why your Preview is fine.

There is no hard-coding of paths to assets (ever) in a Xara export; it is always relative and points to the index_htm_files/ folder.

Are you using an FTP program or the built-in Xara Publish mechanism?

The simplest way to prove all this is to upload your design file to TG.
If too precious/sensitive, I can make private arrangements or you can share through Dropbox or other Cloud mechanism.

Acorn

@Acorn

I'm really grateful that you've taken the time to read and comment on this issue.

Went on my afternoon constitutional this afternoon, and when thinking about this realised that the uploads created in WebPlus8 all faithfully display the font. So the problem is much more likely to be something that I am doing.

With regard to you comments, these are screenshots of my server htdocs directory re: the featured page. The fact that there is no value attach to the first file presumably confirms your diagnosis?

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I use the Xara Publish mechanism. But I've just uploaded the file using the Server's facility and it has made no difference

Thanks again for your help

P

More.

I had a look thru the Xara instruction files which I had printed out a year ago (all 539 pages) specifically Fonts, Text handling and Publishing. I can't see where I'm messing up. In fact it looks so easy. Open text box, add text. Save, Export, Publish (I retried the two methods using the Publish options in the left sidebar and at the top

I decided to try to open file whatsnewdec-a_htm These are it contents:

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I have opened Xara Explore Web Space for this page and it is showing exactly the same listing

I don't know what they mean.

BTW - I think most of the 404s have to do with me entering incorrect names of files. Using htm when it should have been html and vice versa. I find the whole URL thing very confusing as different URLS mean different things - and yes I get that they refer to different components etc.

OK, I've lifted your URL as http://prestonherts.co.uk.
On using my browser's Develop Tools (F12), under Sources, the files in the index_htm_files/ are all empty.

I then tried http://prestonherts.co.uk:80/index_h...s/xr_files.txt directly to see what has been loaded and got the detailed IIS 404 information for this file, as it is also missing:

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Detailed Error Information:

Module	IIS Web Core
Notification	MapRequestHandler
Handler	StaticFile
Error Code	0x80070002

Requested URL	http://prestonherts.co.uk:80/index_h...s/xr_files.txt
Physical Path	E:\Domains\p\prestonherts.co.uk-1082639696\user\htdocs\index_htm_files\xr_files.tx t
Logon Method	Anonymous
Logon User	Anonymous

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You have to confirm that this server path (E:\Domains\p\prestonherts.co.uk-1082639696\user\htdocs\index_htm_files\xr_files.tx t) is the right one for publishing into.

The image you proved is not the contents of the index.htm file, it is the listing of the empty files in the directory.

When I change the index.htm to index.html, we start to get somewhere.

I think you need to review your design files as you seem to have created a dog's dinner in the published space.
Your default page for the URL http://prestonherts.co.uk is http://prestonherts.co.uk/index.htm. You are sending people Home to http://prestonherts.co.uk/index.html.

You are also seemingly publishing a page at a time through your Xara application; this creates the page.html file and a page_index_html/ folder.
If you are unlucky, you can overwrite a prior page's assets if the page name is the same.

Also, for some reason, you have http://prestonherts.co.uk/index_1.html
Unless you change your default landing page to html, you are going to get very confused visitors.

It is all fixable.
I would create a main Xara file (Preston.web) with the Home page, called index.html.
I would still link to the current Site Map for now.

Then I would convert each current page in turn but add it into the Preston.web design.
Call each pagemmm.html, if you must, but I would be more adventurous and use a more descriptive filename and definitely a fuller Page title.
You then change the link in the WebPlus Sitemap page.
If that is not possible, you need to bite the bullet and Xarify that early on.

Acorn

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OK, I've lifted your URL as http://prestonherts.co.uk.
On using my browser's Develop Tools (F12), under Sources, the files in the index_htm_files/ are all empty.

I then tried http://prestonherts.co.uk:80/index_h...s/xr_files.txt directly to see what has been loaded and got the detailed IIS 404 information for this file, as it is also missing:
You have to confirm that this server path (E:\Domains\p\prestonherts.co.uk-1082639696\user\htdocs\index_htm_files\xr_files.tx t) is the right one for publishing into.

The image you proved is not the contents of the index.htm file, it is the listing of the empty files in the directory.

When I change the index.htm to index.html, we start to get somewhere.

I think you need to review your design files as you seem to have created a dog's dinner in the published space.
Your default page for the URL http://prestonherts.co.uk is http://prestonherts.co.uk/index.htm. You are sending people Home to http://prestonherts.co.uk/index.html.

You are also seemingly publishing a page at a time through your Xara application; this creates the page.html file and a page_index_html/ folder.
If you are unlucky, you can overwrite a prior page's assets if the page name is the same.

Also, for some reason, you have http://prestonherts.co.uk/index_1.html
Unless you change your default landing page to html, you are going to get very confused visitors.

It is all fixable.
I would create a main Xara file (Preston.web) with the Home page, called index.html.
I would still link to the current Site Map for now.

Then I would convert each current page in turn but add it into the Preston.web design.
Call each pagemmm.html, if you must, but I would be more adventurous and use a more descriptive filename and definitely a fuller Page title.
You then change the link in the WebPlus Sitemap page.
If that is not possible, you need to bite the bullet and Xarify that early on.

Acorn

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Thanks for that!
Dogs dinner!!! :D
I've printed that out
It'll take some time to assimilate what you've said - but thanks!

This is what's happened. I created a website of local history for Preston Herts using Webplus4. About a year ago I decided that this needed to be updated and began copying and pasting each of the 270 articles as pages in Xara. But I didn't upload them. About a month ago, I started to change the website. I created a Home Page and Site Map in WebPlus8 and linked the Site Map to about ten pages in Xara. The plan is to gradually upload the other 260 pages in Xara and delete the old ones created with WebPlus. However, at the moment it means that the old Home Page is redundant. I meant to put a redirect note on it - which I'll do today.
So what you see is a metamorphing, a mishmash.

@Acorn
Just wanted to say (again) how much I appreciate you taking the time and effort to look at this.
In my own field I offer advice after a lot of investigation, so I have some idea of how long it took you to look at this.
Thanks again

Philip, are you aware your site is not accessible at present?

OK - I give up. After many hours of development, I can't get Xara to work properly.
The font in which the pages have been created doesn't publish - it falls back to a default Ariel.
For my peace of mind and well-being I'm ditching all the work and trying another program which can cope with 270 pages.

Attach one of your xar/web files and I'll post it to my server to prove it's not a Xara issue Philip.

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Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill

Philip, are you aware your site is not accessible at present?

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Thanks for letting me know.
Now I can't upload using WebPlus.
If I was being paranoid, I'd say it was because I changed the font to Georgia.
Now I've changed back to Arial and hey-ho

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Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill

Attach one of your xar/web files and I'll post it to my server to prove it's not a Xara issue Philip.

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That's good of you - but being thick I don't know how.
It can't be by using the 'Insert image' icon.
I see that there's an attached file here of the url of a page - but that's useless because its from the server and everything is in Ariel.

Sorry, I've been out.
Here you go:
LINK

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Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill

Sorry, I've been out.
Here you go:
LINK

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Well I'm blowed!!!!!
So to recap, you've uploaded that file to your server and it's showing the Georgia font and using bold and italics.
So it's down to my server then?
I'll give 'em what for.

I'm so grateful for this. Thanks for going the extra!

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Originally Posted by Acorn

The simplest way to prove all this is to upload your design file to TG.
If too precious/sensitive, I can make private arrangements or you can share through Dropbox or other Cloud mechanism.

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I did suggest this @Post#3.

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Originally Posted by Acorn

I think you need to review your design files as you seem to have created a dog's dinner in the published space.

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@Post#6.

Thanks Egg for running with it.

@Philip - Xara can handle 270 pages but is happier with chunking into logical/semantic design files as these are quick are easier to maintain.

Acorn

[QUOTE=Acorn;632065]I did suggest this @Post#3.

You did indeed, Acorn. I registered this, but didn't know how to do it. It was only by a fluke that I got the right file to Egg.

Update.
Armed with proof that the problem is a server prob and not scripting, I've been wrestling with guys at Fasthosts. Get this! One suggested they transfer my account from an old server to another newer server - with no guarantee that this will work. It would involve upping the fee charged. I'm digging my heels in. Why should I pay more when the problem is theirs.
This has caused me so much stress over the last few days, and it's a bit of a relief that it seems to be not all down to my incompetence. Having said that, @Acorn, now I've seen the files in the server, I obviously had some uploading issues in 2015 - hence the dogs dinner of a directory. On that subject, am I right in thinking that everything should be loaded to htdocs? If so, I'll delete the rest. But I sense a word of warning in-bound :)

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Update.
Armed with proof that the problem is a server prob and not scripting, I've been wrestling with guys at Fasthosts. Get this! One suggested they transfer my account from an old server to another newer server - with no guarantee that this will work. It would involve upping the fee charged. I'm digging my heels in. Why should I pay more when the problem is theirs.
This has caused me so much stress over the last few days, and it's a bit of a relief that it seems to be not all down to my incompetence. Having said that, @Acorn, now I've seen the files in the server, I obviously had some uploading issues in 2015 - hence the dogs dinner of a directory. On that subject, am I right in thinking that everything should be loaded to htdocs? If so, I'll delete the rest. But I sense a word of warning in-bound :)

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Philip, it is difficult to say as I have no account with fasthosts.

Its FTP video seems fairly clear - https://youtu.be/zGrlL2mvOBc?t=73 - states you FTP to htdocs.

Acorn

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Philip, it is difficult to say as I have no account with fasthosts.
Its FTP video seems fairly clear - https://youtu.be/zGrlL2mvOBc?t=73 - states you FTP to htdocs.
Acorn

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Once again your expertise comes up trumps. There's a lot to (carefully) delete in that directory.
I'm being bounced back to the engineers armed with that Egg file reference

Philip, I don't think your problem lays with your hosting company, it's caused by you trying to mix a WebPlus site and a Xara site together in a bunch of bastards.

Keep the two seperate, don't try to combine them! Have a WebPlus site (as you have at present) and a totally independent Xara created site that's an ongoing project.

The main cause of the issue is that you're trying to link your old WebPlus Site Map to your new Xara created pages. I recommend you don't do this.

Create a new navigation system with your Xara pages, don't try to link it to your old WebPlus site map.

Are you aware that you can copy your websites pages url in a browser and open a new website document in Xara and File / 'Import from Web Address' then paste in the copied url ?

The text normally comes in like a dogs dinner so delete it. You should be able to select that text from WebPlus and paste it. This is a quicker way to create Xara web pages.

As an aside I think the 3D feature on the link below is mind-blowing:
LINK

I'm sure youse guys got more important things to focus on - like, what to do with three-quarters of a turkey after Xmas, but here's a little update.

I thought I'd try an experiment and upload the new pages using Times New Roman instead of Georgia.

Guess what!

It was published in Times New Roman, not Ariel.

Did the same using Comic Sans. Here's the result.

[URL="http://prestonherts.co.uk/oldestmap.htm[/URL]

So my problem has got nothing to do with combining WebPlus and Xara. And although undoubtedly I am inept and inadequate when using programs, this particular issue is patently not down to moi.Wish I had thought of doing this before.

I can enjoy my holiday with my sanity and self-regard intact again. :)

Happy Xmas all !

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Originally Posted by ewraysure

I can enjoy my holiday with my sanity and self-regard intact again. :)

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Enjoy and we'll see you back after Xmas. ;))

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Originally Posted by ewraysure

I'm sure youse guys got more important things to focus on - like, what to do with three-quarters of a turkey after Xmas, but here's a little update.

I thought I'd try an experiment and upload the new pages using Times New Roman instead of Georgia.

Guess what!

It was published in Times New Roman, not Ariel.

Did the same using Comic Sans. Here's the result.

[URL="http://prestonherts.co.uk/oldestmap.htm[/URL]

So my problem has got nothing to do with combining WebPlus and Xara. And although undoubtedly I am inept and inadequate when using programs, this particular issue is patently not down to moi.Wish I had thought of doing this before.

I can enjoy my holiday with my sanity and self-regard intact again. :)

Happy Xmas all !

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Curiosity had the better of me here. I tried converting a WebPlus page into a Xara document (in my case Pro X v17.0). The most obvious page to try was the Site Map and to test whether all the links would come across.

The approach was simple enough: create a PDF from the page as displayed in a Chrome browser and import that PDF into a Xara web document. It was a bit messy at first with spurious linked line objects lurking underneath the text, but once removed you have the full formatting capabilities of Xara (text styles etc.).

Here is a demo: https://initiostar.co.uk/demo/Preston/ - the links work from a new site/ directory page, the MouseOver colour change is a bit fiddly, but with patience you can check and change how each link is viewed and opened.

The next step was to create an index page that Xara would expect to be present (in this case it was simply the same PDF input approach using your new page). With the index page created, one can now create any number of new pages, transpose or access old pages as required. All this can be achieved within a single lightweight Xara document.

To complete the exercise Philip, should you wish, you need to create 3 server-side redirects in your .htaccess file (these are noted in the XAR document attached). The server-side redirects will ensure that your three primary WebPlus backlinks return the visitor to the new Xara equivalent pages. You may still have a conflict with the old index page and it may have to be deleted, but it is worth a try first. The redirects must be server-side, else you would have to change every page in your old WebPlus site.

Hope it helps and BTW, had no problems using the Georgia font throughout.

To extend integration further, you should be able to redesign your site/directory page with a 'WebPlus' placeholder whereby each WebPlus page opens in a WebPlus target window. You would likely need to increase your Xara page width around 1200px to make the design work, but rather than jumping out to another page, everything (I think) can be kept within the same page (because the WebPlus page width is relatively narrow). I haven't tried the last bit, but I think it should be possible using a named placeholder.

@Acorn, I think the last integration bit should work?


Happy New Year :D

Gary

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Curiosity had the better of me here. I tried converting a WebPlus page into a Xara document (in my case Pro X v17.0). The most obvious page to try was the Site Map and to test whether all the links would come across.

The approach was simple enough: create a PDF from the page as displayed in a Chrome browser and import that PDF into a Xara web document. It was a bit messy at first with spurious linked line objects lurking underneath the text, but once removed you have the full formatting capabilities of Xara (text styles etc.).

Here is a demo: https://initiostar.co.uk/demo/Preston/ - the links work from a new site/ directory page, the MouseOver colour change is a bit fiddly, but with patience you can check and change how each link is viewed and opened.

The next step was to create an index page that Xara would expect to be present (in this case it was simply the same PDF input approach using your new page). With the index page created, one can now create any number of new pages, transpose or access old pages as required. All this can be achieved within a single lightweight Xara document.

To complete the exercise Philip, should you wish, you need to create 3 server-side redirects in your .htaccess file (these are noted in the XAR document attached). The server-side redirects will ensure that your three primary WebPlus backlinks return the visitor to the new Xara equivalent pages. You may still have a conflict with the old index page and it may have to be deleted, but it is worth a try first. The redirects must be server-side, else you would have to change every page in your old WebPlus site.

Hope it helps and BTW, had no problems using the Georgia font throughout.

To extend integration further, you should be able to redesign your site/directory page with a 'WebPlus' placeholder whereby each WebPlus page opens in a WebPlus target window. You would likely need to increase your Xara page width around 1200px to make the design work, but rather than jumping out to another page, everything (I think) can be kept within the same page (because the WebPlus page width is relatively narrow). I haven't tried the last bit, but I think it should be possible using a named placeholder.

@Acorn, I think the last integration bit should work?


Happy New Year :D

Gary

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Gary,

That's v interesting and a great way of converting the WebPlus Site map to a Xara page using PDF.
Thanks for taking the time to work on this and post it.
Do you think it's better to do this than create a Site Map using WP8 (which is compatible with other devices such as phoens and tablets)?
Seems to me that if this works, then the method of using sub-directories (which I never got to grips with) is unnecessary.
I just want an easy way of linking 270 pages to one Site Map.
I've already created one using WP8 which looks great and works well. I'd post a screenshot, but last week my three-year old Dell PC stopped working. I had backed-up three weeks earlier, so didn't lose much except that file. I opened the hard drive and found that the head was stuck. Now I'm in the throws of cloning that drive to a new HD. It's been a frustrating time in many ways, but I feel that I'm finally getting there.
BTW, when you say that you had no problems with the Georgia font, is that when you use the preview function? Georgia indeed is faithfully recreated in preview - it's getting it published which has been the problem - one that I don't have if I use TimesNR or Tahoma fonts, for example.
Thanks again.
Philip

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Originally Posted by ewraysure

Gary,

That's v interesting and a great way of converting the WebPlus Site map to a Xara page using PDF.
Thanks for taking the time to work on this and post it.
Do you think it's better to do this than create a Site Map using WP8 (which is compatible with other devices such as phones and tablets)?
Seems to me that if this works, then the method of using sub-directories (which I never got to grips with) is unnecessary.
I just want an easy way of linking 270 pages to one Site Map.
I've already created one using WP8 which looks great and works well. I'd post a screenshot, but last week my three-year old Dell PC stopped working. I had backed-up three weeks earlier, so didn't lose much except that file. I opened the hard drive and found that the head was stuck. Now I'm in the throws of cloning that drive to a new HD. It's been a frustrating time in many ways, but I feel that I'm finally getting there.
BTW, when you say that you had no problems with the Georgia font, is that when you use the preview function? Georgia indeed is faithfully recreated in preview - it's getting it published which has been the problem - one that I don't have if I use TimesNR or Tahoma fonts, for example.
Thanks again.
Philip

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Philip,

Xara is entirely compatible with phones and tablets, but usually it requires you to create one variant and use Scale-to-fit-Width. I have no doubt whatsoever that the site map should be in Xara as should your index page, unless of course you want to do the whole thing in WP8. That's a whole different ball game.

I applied the Google Lighthouse performance test to my Xara doc and no problems at all. I would leave your WP4/ WP8 pages as is for now and call them from the Xara page I created to see how it works.

I can't really comment on why you had a font issue, but the example works in preview and publishes as expected. Updated XAR expanded to 1200px width.

Personally, I think stay with Xara, get the desktop version working as you want, then look at the mobile variant. Normally, I start the other way around, but you are where you are.

https://initiostar.co.uk/demo/Preston/ a simple update to the first design.

Gary

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Originally Posted by Initiostar

To extend integration further, you should be able to redesign your site/directory page with a 'WebPlus' placeholder whereby each WebPlus page opens in a WebPlus target window. You would likely need to increase your Xara page width around 1200px to make the design work, but rather than jumping out to another page, everything (I think) can be kept within the same page (because the WebPlus page width is relatively narrow). I haven't tried the last bit, but I think it should be possible using a named placeholder.
@Acorn, I think the last integration bit should work? Happy New Year :D
Gary

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Gary, it should but it is not my preferred approach.

Acorn

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Gary, it should but it is not my preferred approach.

Acorn

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Acorn, interesting - I was thinking you could use class menus to condense the directory into categories which would create space for WebPlus pages to be called into a placeholder. Something along the lines of a page within a page.

The approach I have tried so far seems to work OK in practice; it just requires the primary back-links in the WebPlus site to be server-side redirected to their Xara equivalents to avoid going round in circles. The downside of course is every time you go to an external link you need a way back, the back-links achieve that, but I was thinking how can you achieve a more integrated approach.

What would be your preferred approach?

Thanks,

Gary

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Originally Posted by Initiostar

Acorn, interesting - I was thinking you could use class menus to condense the directory into categories which would create space for WebPlus pages to be called into a placeholder. Something along the lines of a page within a page.
The approach I have tried so far seems to work OK in practice; it just requires the primary back-links in the WebPlus site to be server-side redirected to their Xara equivalents to avoid going round in circles. The downside of course is every time you go to an external link you need a way back, the back-links achieve that, but I was thinking how can you achieve a more integrated approach.
What would be your preferred approach?
Thanks, Gary

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The simplest I can imagine:

1. Prove the publishing of a Xara file to htdocs works.
2. Prove the Georgia font works.
3. Create the Home page as index of a new Xara design file.
4. Recreate the Sitemap (Links) page as links of the same new Xara design file. Ensure all links go to current WebPlus4 pages.
5. Set up required Styles and ensure all pages have H1 applied.
6. Set up a redirect from the current WebPlus 8 sitemap to the new index.htm page.
7. Add a page at a time to the new design file, keeping all as htm so they are unique to the new design and do not mix in with the current WebPlus4 html pages.
8. Change the URL in the new links page to the newly converted Xara page.
9. Calf off a new Xara design file if the one get too turgid when new pages are added.
10. Don't add any new content until things are levelled up.

Acorn

Thanks Acorn,

Good advice as always; should the OP (Philip) be able to publish the example design file I provided above to his host service, and of course it works with his hosting service, he would be through your steps 1-5. It is working well on my server atm, so that would eliminate it being a Xara issue.

Very best wishes for the New Year and thank you for all your help.

Gary

Hi Gary,

Had a chance to examine in detail your recommendations and the examples you were kind enough to create.
I particularly wanted to compare the settings in each window you used with what I've set because I've wondered what mistakes I might have made here. Surprisingly, I only found two different settings!
May I ask two questions:

I note that the work area (correct term?) on the pages you've created is different to mine ie on my set-up there is a background of approx 740 pixels on either side of the page; on yours, its about 1200 pixels. Is this what you've been referring to in your earlier posts? And how do I alter this?

This thread started with a question about the way fonts were displayed.
May I come back to this?
I've slightly changed the What is new page you created, using bold for dates and in the top box. I reviewed the page and published it to my server. (I wanted to post images here, but the function isn't working for me). The preview is faithful to the created page. But the published page does not show bold or Georgia in the heading or the first box ( Please link to http://prestonherts.co.uk/scottfamily.htm ; scroll to bottom and click, Test). Did you say that when you uploaded your demos, that there was no problem with the font?
Is this evidence that the problem is with my server?

Best,

Philip

Philip,

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Had a chance to examine in detail your recommendations and the examples you were kind enough to create.
I particularly wanted to compare the settings in each window you used with what I've set because I've wondered what mistakes I might have made here. Surprisingly, I only found two different settings!
May I ask two questions:

I note that the work area (correct term?) on the pages you've created is different to mine ie on my set-up there is a background of approx 740 pixels on either side of the page; on yours, its about 1200 pixels. Is this what you've been referring to in your earlier posts? And how do I alter this?

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The difference you saw is directly related to the Export Options Scale-to-fit-Width; I had a page width of 960px with a maximum of 960px (the latter being a personal preference) whereas you used the default max setting of 1280px. This is just personal choice about how the designer wants to display the site to a visitor and the transition to any variants. It looks like you reset yours to 960px maximum?

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This thread started with a question about the way fonts were displayed.
May I come back to this?
I've slightly changed the What is new page you created, using bold for dates and in the top box. I reviewed the page and published it to my server. (I wanted to post images here, but the function isn't working for me). The preview is faithful to the created page. But the published page does not show bold or Georgia in the heading or the first box ( Please link to http://prestonherts.co.uk/scottfamily.htm ; scroll to bottom and click, Test). Did you say that when you uploaded your demos, that there was no problem with the font?
Is this evidence that the problem is with my server?

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1. Some progress here: I can see you loaded the example new index page http://prestonherts.co.uk/index.htm. When you add a new page (at least in the short term) it should be a page within the same Xara document. You can either modify the NavBar I included, or create your own links, but short term, the NavBar will help you keep track of Xara pages within the site. There is now however a conflict (I believe) between your old index page http://prestonherts.co.uk/index.html and the new index.htm. Your old WP4 index file has an Ariel default.

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2. The new Xara pages in your doc I provided appear to be Georgia, but have lost Bold (in comparison to https://initiostar.co.uk/demo/Preston ). The only difference I believe between the version on my server and yours is the old index.html page. I would try a server-side redirect (within the .htaccess file) to redirect index.html to index.htm.


Gary

Footnote: the new index page I saw has now disappeared?