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I was trying to add some text to a piece I was writing in Pro+ in which I was referring to A. Smith, which is how a friend refers to herself.
Except Pro+ took the liberty of assuming the A. was part of a numbered list starting with A. and would not let me override this formatting. :rolleyes:
Gary, you press the ESC key immediately after and you stop it dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwpriester
Acorn
I see what Gary is saying
I am not sure when and whether esc mitigates this 'smart'
My mistake, it should be Backspace+Backspace.
All thumbs tonight!
Acorn
I am not sure that works
if I type A. Smith and then hit return I get the B. - if I hit backspace once it removes the B. but leaves indent - hit backspace again it returns me to the end of the A.Smith line - if I then hit return to continue back comes the B. - am I doing something wrong?
handrawn, I tried and it worked. It was a Text Area.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
Yet to try the bullet control. I think that is cheating though.
Acorn
i just typed in a line - dont use text areas - thing is, this is autostupid - in word I can tell it globally not to do autoformat, because word is a world class program - can I do this in xara ?
ok I checked - it works in a text area... but like i said some of us just use text lines, why should we suffer, and why can we not just turn off auto correct globally [this is rhetorical xara always thinks it knows best] ?
I made an executive decision and used Allison's name. Life is too short.
I just finished formatting a book of 16 short stories that I have written, 167 pages + front matter, and I was on the acknowledgements page.
I made an executive decision a goodly while back not to use xara for DTP period ;)
glad you got it sorted - I am a great short story fan :D
my grandmother used to tell me as a child I was so sharp I would cut myself - xara is so smart they may end up getting hurt
I'm going to be extremely blunt here. This is exactly why Xara hates going through TalkGraphics. This isn't unique behaviour to Xara, this isn't something special. This is standard behaviour across desktop publishing apps and somehow you've turned this into a Xara hate bashing session, that we're trying to be too smart for our own good. It wouldn't surprise me that if we didn't turn this into a list, you'd be complaining about that as well. I genuinely don't believe we can do right by you.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
I can get this fixed. One of my first initiatives is to collect a large number of minor tweaks, ui/ux improvements and bug fixes and get them finally sorted. Bugs that often are generally minor in scope and fall under the radar but overall together have a big impact on the experience of Xara. I get that you're frustrated, but for the love of god please work with me here to improve Xara, to make this process smooth. The more direct an issue is, the faster we can provide a solution.
Rob-Xar wrote in another thread, "Let's wipe the slate clean here and get things done."
Both TG-ers and Xara staff seem to have past issues to gripe about but perhaps it would be good for all of us to get over it and give ourselves and the Xara devs under Rob's new leadership a fair chance to develop a constructive working relationship.
Rob - I take your point. All I posted here in Dear Xara a forum for feature requests and bug reports is:
And it is very frustrating when I encounter something like this.Quote:
I was trying to add some text to a piece I was writing in Pro+ in which I was referring to A. Smith, which is how a friend refers to herself.
Except Pro+ took the liberty of assuming the A. was part of a numbered list starting with A. and would not let me override this formatting.
Exactly and nothing against you Gary. I get your point, I'll investigate
@All, there is still benefit from this Thread; however viewed by different parties.
Xara thinks that having a point-to-point channel using an Intercom Conversation for Xara Cloud/Pro+ and Xara Desktop Support for Magix versions is best for it.
Most companies would fall for this as a 'bitch fest' can then be hidden away.
Yet Xara then extols TalkGraphics in its products as its 'Online forum' where forum is the key word.
Forums allow debate, and yes, bitch fests, but, importantly, wider exposure.
The issue here is @handrawn is not a Xara DTP fan and @gwpriester has much more practice. Both has been frustrated in their DTP experience.
The PDF help Manual describes how a List can be ended:
This is fine but in Gary's case he had two things going on a List continuation he didn't want and a List in the first place.Quote:
To finish entering a bulleted list, hit return on the end of the last bullet and then immediately hit return again on the new bulleted line. This removes the last empty bulleted line and allows you to start entering normal text again. Or you can just turn off the list button on the InfoBar
For each of a Text Line, Text Column and Text Area, the proper thing to do is notice the List is created immediately following a space after one of the following:
- 1., A., a., I., i., 1), A), a), I), i)
==> There is a immediate added indent and if you are a touch typist, unlike me, it stands out.
It's immediate remedy is Ctrl+Z.
An historic List removal is just unticking the List button.
In extremis, use Ctrl+Space, if you can remember.
@Rob-Xar - there is nothing to fix other than updating the Help documentation.
I would prefer thinking and debate around:
- CSS Styling Lists - https://www.w3schools.com/CSS/tryit....style-type_all
- Xara HTML Filter rendering aria-aware HTML lists.
Acorn
Try a Hard Space after the period. Type capital A, then a period, then a Ctrl-Spacebar, then Smith.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwpriester
My head is spinning, Dan.Quote:
Try a Hard Space after the period. Type capital A, then a period, then a Ctrl-Spacebar, then Smith.
Steve - I have produced 9 paperback books in Designer Pro. Bottom line, I know how to make the program do the things I was trained to do and do the things I did when I was in advertising and then graphic design. So while I complain about missing features, it's a matter getting the tools to do what I want them to do.
Of the 5 books I have produced for Mary, 3 have won best in category in the New Mexico - Arizona Book Awards, and one for another author got a best cover design in the same contest.
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Originally Posted by Acorn
Snap!Quote:
Originally Posted by DanFelix
Acorn
Easy enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
@Rob
ok I take the point too and i don't want to start off on the wrong foot with the newly and deservedly promoted guy who might actually get thing done
I am a dinosaur, I think of xara designer as a vector graphics design program with added raster on the side
I don't think of Xara as a DTP program; I admire gary for what he does in that respect but, as acorn said, it is not for me
you may have read my thread about the loud beep that nearly csised me serious grief... https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...d-be-dangerous
I hope you don't think of this a s bitch-fest, it is serious; I am probably not the only one to use headphones whilst working; and what purpose does it serve? it's not what egg suggested - this is a specific that happens only when the cancel button is clicked [autobackup off], it is not random screech
how about replacing the magix filters that were lost in pro+ - whilst deformation liquid colour is not as powerful as affinity liquid persona it did a good job a lot of the time, and as an animator who does a lot of deformation animation it came in very useful; of course, a xara 'liquid persona' would be even better... expression 3 had this 18 years ago
enough hijacking gary's thread
final point - you did not explain why the behavior is different in text line and text area, but then it is only a curiosity to me; still if yoiu aint curious you don't learn as the gender neutral thespian said to the pantheologist
I wouldn't expect a post like that from a professional product manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob-Xar
Attacking users on a personal level for "blunt" posts is not the way to go.
Let me help you.
"This isn't unique behaviour to Xara, this isn't something special. This is standard behaviour across desktop publishing apps.
We will fix this issue - thanks for bringing it to our attention"
Look, I'm not going to put on a corporate hat and be some soulless entity to TG. My start here will be that of open transparency, of honesty and communication. If I see a post where the first page is that of unjustified constant complaining (i.e. in this case a behaviour that is standard), I'm going to call it out. There is no need for this and it doesn't help me fix problems or improve the product.Quote:
Originally Posted by pauland
And I will start that by saying this - If the powers that be go through the forums and see nothing but negativity, they'll decide either to shut it down, or strictly moderate everything that goes on here. I don't want either to happen, but rather I want to work with everyone here and help make the product better. I still believe TG is a great resource for that, and I'm more than happy to accept criticism of either me or the product to further better it, but it has to be what boy said earlier - 'constructive working relationship'. I see a new and revitalised TG in the future, but it can only happen if old habits die off, from me included.
I've hijacked this thread already enough, I've recorded the problem, will investigate solutions and will update the help. I know Gary does a lot of books and I do want to help him in his workflow.
That's good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob-Xar
Better that users be open about their issues than bury them in some sanitised post. I've had enough criticism of my own in my time but I try to see it as an opportunity to look again at the problem not as some personal affront. Often that criticism is justified even if delivered in a less than diplomatic way.
You've gained an insight about how one user feels about Xara and often if one user feels like that, others do too, but by addressing the issue raised you can change that viewpoint not just for one person but for everyone.
Never make personal attacks, always address the issue raised.
Thank you for responding, I appreciate that, and I hope you continue to grow into your new role and the new mindset that it demands.
I really want to see Xara do well and for you to flourish in your career. Wear some shinguards in case of further kickbacks.
No part of my threads here were personal attacks, nor have I ever done so against anyone at TG. I'm sorry if you saw it that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by pauland
I did, but let's move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob-Xar
We all have our personal colours radiating from us.
Equally, we all have different colour filters.
Mine are defaulted to BLACK with WHITE but sometimes they toggle around.
Acorn
I'm closing this thread.