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I've gotta believe that more than one of us has been stiffed for work, but I guess I'm still naive enough to believe that work I make for someone for free still deserves a thanks.
Attached is a logo I did for someone's site. They got in touch with me through one of my books, and I guess some people feel after they buy your book, they can ask favors or something.
They ask for my time, and then not even an email to thank me.
It feels kinda like univited guests who won't leave...
Gary David Bouton
Gary@GaryDavidBouton.com
Free education! The Writings Web site
and the updated GaryWorld Gallery is pretty okay, too.
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I've gotta believe that more than one of us has been stiffed for work, but I guess I'm still naive enough to believe that work I make for someone for free still deserves a thanks.
Attached is a logo I did for someone's site. They got in touch with me through one of my books, and I guess some people feel after they buy your book, they can ask favors or something.
They ask for my time, and then not even an email to thank me.
It feels kinda like univited guests who won't leave...
Gary David Bouton
Gary@GaryDavidBouton.com
Free education! The Writings Web site
and the updated GaryWorld Gallery is pretty okay, too.
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Very nice image. Makes you kinda wish that you could repo the image somehow. People so often get caught up in themselves they forget the amount of work it takes to greate a logo or graphic.
And some people think just because you use a computer that it is easy, and therefore it is nothing for you to produce them a graphic on demand/request.
--Randy
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If artists were payed by the hour a reasonable rate then artists would be richer than Bill please dont do that to my company Gates.
That really sucks G,maybe write back and say to them well if you read the book you would be able to do it yourself wouldnt you. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] Thats really disgusting behavior [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
Stu.
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Gary,
doing someone a favor is one thing. But I know this behavior myself - I've experienced it many times decades ago. It bugged my, so I developed a solution:
The customer (ANY customer) will receive the finished object via e-mail, ftp or any other kind of media. However, it has a copyright notice stamped on it with 50% transparency and an ugly texture - no way to use a pixel editor to get rid of the copyright mark. The second file they receive is an encrypted zip or rar file, protected with a password. This one contains exactly the same object or artwork, but without the copyright stamp, and I inform the customer about this fact.
As soon as the payment has been irrevocable accredited to my bank account, I send him the password.
40% of my customers hate me for this. 30% flame me - because I never disclose this part of the deal when the place the order. But until today I've never felt sorry about any order or job anymore. Oh, of course I charge a 50% downpayment when they send the order.
This is the only way to protect yourself. It's a rotten world, full of a..holes who think they own the right to cheat designers, artists etc.
Let's discuss this in more detail! Maybe something about the US copyright office where you can register your artwork, and if a 'client' doesn't pay for it, you have a very excellent position in court. BTW, you can register your artwork online!
Have a great weekend,
jens
jens g.r. benthien
designer
http://jens.highspeedweb.net
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Although it never happened to me (yet!?) I can understand how steamed you must be, just makes you wanna kick yourself and the other person even harder! Did you ask them to pay for it?
Jens, How do you register your artwork online!?
Steve Newport
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Gary,
This has happened to me too. I have done (free) work for people who have thanked me by email and were grateful. There are, however, others who after the fact have not thanked me, but contacted me for revisions ad-infinitum of my offering, without even a thank you after they were finally happy with it. I got the impression from them that I was some robot in cyber-space that creates and dispenses "custom" webgraphics for free like a vending machine. No offer of a link or a by line. Only "gimme, gimme, gimme"!!
Beware, people! These sort of transactions usually start with the taker, sucking up to your skills bigtime, only to kick dirt in your face later. Learn from it, but don't let it change your heart and personal characteristic of generosity.
Regards, Wayne
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I'm glad my compatriots agree with me on this one.
Are we agreed, "it sucks big-time."?
I do a lot of stuff for free. This group has thanked me for my volunteer efforts more than any entity, person, or group on the Web.
I just think that when I put about 35 years of learning and formal training at the disposal of someone in need, it's not fatal to say, "thanks", you know?
Three people had busted their CDs from one of my books, and Pearson Education is slow if not downright negative about replacing CDs. So guess what I did? Yup, each got the CD within 2 days offa my own burner and my own time. The three reactions were different and interesting. One of them thanked me out the wazoo, promised to buy all my books, and offered to pay me for the inconvenience, time, and postage. The second one dropped me a line, said thanks, and asked if I needed money for compensation. The third I never heard from.
I conclude that times may change, but people don't. And that there is a fixed number of a..holes in any organization or civilization. You lose one, and you will get a fresh one (or two) in no time [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Bothered but not bitter,
Gare
Btw, attached is a new model I freely donate to this forum. It's in DXF format. Have fun. It's a pisser.
Gary David Bouton
Gary@GaryDavidBouton.com
Free education! The Writings Web site
and the updated GaryWorld Gallery is pretty okay, too.
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Steve,
start right here:
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/
jens
jens g.r. benthien
designer
http://jens.highspeedweb.net
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Cheers for the toilet Gary [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
I made some genetic changes to the porcelains make up and got the result below.The arm belongs to a copyright infringer [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Cheers.
Stu.
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Hi Gary,
Whats the URL for the site?
Maybe your dealing with a child or an adult with a childs mentality.
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Hi Mike--
I dobn't know who the party was who asked for my time and skill. The a..hole never wrote back. And the real shame is that I have that image out in the open, when I would have kept it for my T-shirt and mug store on my website.
Ya live and learn, right?
If you don't one only becomes embittered.
Kindest Regards,
Gary David Bouton
Gary@GaryDavidBouton.com
Free education! The Writings Web site
and the updated GaryWorld Gallery is pretty okay, too.
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...ya well, i'm not-so-happy to say that i belong to this probably-not-so-elite club also folks. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
Only difference is... i created AN ENTIRE WEBSITE for my "Dear John", including tons of graphics AND photo enhancements for an onLine gallery - estimated lo$$: $1500+. I took him at his word... my bad... but i've never let THAT happen again to this day.
We had become 'sort of' friends, through contact by way of my Photoshop site. Thought i could trust 'em, and all his sob stories... it was a site for his outdoor tour guide business... my bad... ain't gonna happen again.
I don't know if his site is still up or not. Don't really care though... it's been around 3-4 years now i think. Oh well... live'n'learn... then scare... then remember that, and carry on.
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That sucks Mark [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
Its just a pity that you couldnt make his site crash [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Being html illiterate would it be possible to put a line of code or something in the overall coding of a site that would if pulled or tweaked or something screw up the site if the owner was being a jerk?
Stu.
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What is worse: being cheated ten times, or one time refusing help to someone who really merits and needs it?
If your heart closes, or becomes embittered, then the world (you) is definitively lost.
If you don't work against time, time often works for you.
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...but it's not about "how many" times one has been cheated. One time is one time too many, if you ask me.
And actually... it's not really even about being "cheated". That's the wrong term here. A more explainative expression would be "taken advantage of". Because that better implies one not 'expecting' it to happen.
I myself also like to think of this specific thread as a form of empowerment, to thoughs of us "working in the field". Empowerment in the sense that just knowing we're not alone in the situation, helps strengthen, or rather re-strengthen our trust in what we're doing, and for whom we're doing it.
I don't hate the guy that 'screwed' me... i just feel betrayed by someone i thought was a friend. And that hurts more than being cheated by a client ever could.
That's MY story... and i'm sticking to it! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]
Know what i mean? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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...the wisest route to never getting cheated again by someone who commissions work and then ducks out?
***ONLY*** take on clients that live close enough to you, to get in your car and punch their lights out.
I'm kidding, okay? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Gary David Bouton
Gary@GaryDavidBouton.com
Free education! The Writings Web site
and the updated GaryWorld Gallery is pretty okay, too.
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Of course you're right, both of you.
I know how it feels (most of us do: that makes us human), just wanted to say that bitterness never helped anyone and that it makes you sick as it is a mental or emotional form of cancer.
It's just that I myself tend to become too suspicious when it's not necessary and as naive as before when I should be on my guard...
Sometimes it helps to make things clear from the start and talk things out, leave nothing unsaid.
Bah, I hate business.
Apologies: didn't want to put salt in the wounds.
If you don't work against time, time often works for you.
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A few years back I did a logo for a bicycle ride for a charity. I didn't charge much at all but asked for one copy of everything that came out in print.
I recieved the money, a t-shirt, the brochure and 3 tear sheets from mags on newsprint. what I never recieved though, was the FULL COLOR POSTER I saw hanging in the bike shop windows. GGGRRRRRRR
This year their logo has the bike riders pulled directly out of my design!
I felt like telling them that besides the poster from 1999, they also owed me all the printed things from this year!
I decided that it wasn't worth my getting upset over, but from now on I will never work without a signed work agreement, stating everything, including perks, with the comps signed too.
I have also decided that it's not worth the stress to work for impossible people. I've decided to have faith in my ability to be successful and tell the impossibles to take a hike.
Sharon P.
www.fischerpassmoredesign.com
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BTW, mom...that's a really nice graphic.
Kindest Regards,
Gary David Bouton
Gary@GaryDavidBouton.com
Free education! The Writings Web site
and the updated GaryWorld Gallery is pretty okay, too.
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thanks Gary [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
That means alot coming from someone as talented as you.
Sharon P.
www.fischerpassmoredesign.com
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Quote.....
***ONLY*** take on clients that live close enough to you, to get in your car and punch their lights out.......hahahaaaaaa thats excellent Gary [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Guys I have a credo,and it is help people out,but only if it is still doing what is right for you,that way you know immediately if you are being taken advantage of or screwed because it becomes a situation where you have to go right out of your way, if this happens then just ask yourself would the recipient do this for me?,if the answer is no,then screw them [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Sometimes life can suck,but think where would you be with out it?......puts it in perspective doesnt it [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Stu.
