in Painter 6. Is there a plug in - a tool I haven't found yet?
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in Painter 6. Is there a plug in - a tool I haven't found yet?
in Painter 6. Is there a plug in - a tool I haven't found yet?
Hi,
I just posted a response on the Painter Talk Forum about this.. probably to you?
Anyway, I tried the method that I thought would work and didn't have much success with it. That is, the Impasto brush, Depth Lofter variant set to Negative Depth. Problem was with both the colors and the shape of the tool. It would be nice to get a chiseled look but with a round brush that's a bit difficult.
Let us know what you find out. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jinny
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Hi trusslle,
Try using Express Texture under Effects/Surface Control. In the pop-up box, for Using, pick Paper (texture) and slide the Contrast all the way up. Over in the Papers palette, pick and try different papers to work with. For this sort of effect I've had the best luck using long fibers/grain or crosshatched papers (textures). Back in the Express Texture pop-up box, adjust the Gray Threshold and Grain sliders to suit. Also, try adjusting the Scale slider or Invert Paper back in the Papers palette. Any number of combinations here depending on how many paper libraries you have. If you have a diagonal line, try it. For the image below, I started in full color and applied the 'long string rice' paper from the Morewild.pap library (I believe this was on the Painter 4 CD).
BR
Hummm!
The more I look at the above image, the more it looks like a scratchboard or woodengraving, instead of a linocut. Here's one done with the diagonal texture I mentioned above,
Br.....
Hi trusslle,
I am not sure if this effect is what you are looking for but it was done with the scratch board tool and touched with surface paper texture.
for these suggestions, fantastic. Its that quite 'hand made' look that Monastic Bat has come up with that is what I'm after. Thanks. Now I want to experiment with layers to acheive that 'suicide print' look of cutting more of your block away for each new colour.
Hi trusslle,
Glad to help. I am sure that I am not the only one who would like to see how you use this in your work. Please feel free to post some of your work so we can see.
Regards,
Greg
"in Painter 6. Is there a plug in - a tool I haven't found yet?"
There is such a plug in added in the P6.1 updater which is now in beta.
As for using Express Texture, float a copy of your original image into a layer before applying Express Texture, and set the blending mode (try gel first). Then do something to blur the underlying canvas image (Soften, KPTx Equalizer, Auto Van Gogh, Apply Surface Texture with a heavy texture paper, etc.).
Doug Frost
I cant even download the plug in to try it, Corel site keeps saying page not available.
Hi,
In case you haven't tried this URL:
ftp://ftp.corel.com/pub/Painter/6.1/
Jinny
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Here are some examples of output from the Painter 6.1 Woodcut filter. The image in the upper left is the original. Hopefully, this will give you a sense of Woodcut's possibilities.
-pixlart
Hi everyone!
I've been fiddling with doing the wood cut thing without benefit of the 6.1 patch and can't seem to find anything that looks like a real wood cutting tool would look.
For what it's worth, I think Mr. Bat's version is the best so far since it indicates a hand-tooled look by use of the Scratchboard tool. Still, the paper texture on the lower surface doesn't quite give a look of cuts into the wood in a particular direction, or slightly varying directions as the cuts would be if done on real wood with real wood cutting tools.
I wonder, can anyone think of a good way to record some strokes that might imitate this better.. what brushes, etc.?
My memories of wood cutting are really of linoleum block cutting when I was a kid and missed the mark one day causing a bloody mess. (Poor finger!) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Jinny
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Hi Jinny and All.
Attached is another example of a Wood Block technique done with the texture applied before the carving strokes were added. There is actually a big difference between Wood Cut and Wood Block printing.
Wood Cuts are carved in the End Grain of a hard wood, more like engraving. Wood blocks are done on the board's surface, more like carving.
Sorry I can't give more details. It has been a moon or two since I have done either and I have destroyed lots of gray matter since then.
P.S.
You Folks are right, this thing is much much smoother in the operations department.
[This message was edited by Monastic Bat on December 16, 2000 at 06:41 AM.]
Thanks for the info on the differences between Wood Cut and Wood Block.. which obviously I didn't know about.
If and when I find the time, maybe I'll do some research on these methods so at least I'll have an understanding of what I'm trying to replicate. <g>
Jinny
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Hi Greg, Jinney, & all,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that wood block prints are any prints made from wood, (although the word 'block' does refer to an end cut block used for wood engraving and often sanded down flat and re-used like a litho stone). And; types of wood block prints are wood cuts, (done "on the plank", the side grain, with wood carving tools), and wood engravings ,(done on the end grain, often hard enough to use metal engraving tools).
For more info, check out David Bull's extensive site at Woodblock.com . He leans towards japanese woodblocks (my favorites, and what many consider the peak of the art form or craft, as you will). While there be sure to check out Hiroshi Yoshida gorgeous work at http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedi.../appendix.html Impressive stuff, using upwards of 15 blocks and 70 impressions!!
BR....
Thanks BR, you are correct, as I said the gray matter isn't what it used to be.
BR,
Thank you for the wonderful site addresses. I'm at www.woodblock.com now and can see it will be a fascinating tour. Also have the other site bookmarked to look at later.
Oboy! There's always so much more to learn!
Jinny
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Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Greg,
Hey, that's what you get for being older then dirt [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] And look who's talking !! Mine turned to mush a long time ago [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jin,
Isn't that a great site! Informative, personable, well written, (and no ads). I find myself totally intrigued by his artistic journey, and yet somehow jealous of his drive. Good thing today was Sunday, as I couldn't stop reading.
BR....
BR,
Yes, it's a peaceful site and he writes beautifully, just as he works beautifully. It's like reading a fine book. I'll be back again to read more since today was full of interruptions.
Thanks again for sharing the two sites.
Jinny
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Hi:
Here is a sample of the Woodcut filter as applied to a photograph.
1> The original photo
2> This is a color only reduction. You can adjust the number of colors, as well as the "roundness" of the color areas.
3> This is a Black only reduction. You can control the thickness, as well as other attributes of the reduction areas.
4> This is the 2 reductions impositioned. You can also output both black and color in one step, but you get more control to do the separately. I added my own interpretive clouds.
5> This is a 100% closeup to show the real detail. I used Dye Concentration to add the appearance of paper grain.
The Woodcut filter has a lot of expressive range in it. You can also experiment on original artwork as a starting point, as well.
Enjoy!
-pixlart
Wow love the work you did with the woodcut filter. Makes me want to down load the patch.
Will wait till the final patch to get all the bug in it though. I can not wait to do some work with that filter. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
I'm really glad I joined this forum today! I've been crying to find others to talk and learn more about this stuff.
I have tried to digitally simulate woodcuts on Painter for a long time (on my own initially by looking at true wood engravings) and now, I'm finally getting closer to it.
Painter 7's function is good if you want to save time but for my own developing style, I've started a series of web pages to share my learnings on the "manual" creation of digital woodcuts. You can see my initial set of pages by going to http://www.romedome.com/art/how-to/.
This website will eventually allow others to download the brush variants I've saved to simulate the various woodcut looks-leveraging off of Painter's scratchboard and other tools to simulate the effects of the wood engraver's tools (slipstriker, tinters, scorper, lozange graver, etc), sharing lessons I've learned to achieving that look, and providing links to pages/websites that have inspired me or taught me about the history & tools & methods of wood engraving.
If you have other "manual" Painter techniques for simulating woodcuts, I'm eager to learn, so please visit and contact me from there (or reply to this thread)!
Thanks for this subject,
Romeo
[This message was edited by romedome on October 04, 2001 at 15:12.]
Romeo,
Welcome to the Talkgraphics Painter Forum. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Thanks for diving in and being so enthusiastic. This forum is very lucky to have the skilled visitors that we DO have here.
I just checked in on the forum and found your post earlier about woodcut style images. As I read your post I knew I was going to have to dig this thread up and direct you to it . . .but you found it on your own!!! Very cool!!
Please, as the questions or comments arise in your mind, bring them to us here. I've seen a visitor post a question and get an informed answer within hours of posting.
Again, it's great to have you. Enjoy your visits.
Athena
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Many thanks for the warm welcome, Athena.
I finished the How-To on woodcuts if anyone wants to visit. Again, it's my personal style I'm sharing based on my learnings and mistakes - I definitely want to try other techniques. Here's the specific URL:
http://www.romedome.com/art/how-to/woodcuts/
Here's an example taken from the site:
http://www.romedome.com/art/how-to/w...ian_detail.jpg
Thanks again, everyone!
Romeo