Hi and Welcome Jinny Brown,
I too am happy that you have joined us.
Greg
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Hi and Welcome Jinny Brown,
I too am happy that you have joined us.
Greg
Hi and Welcome Jinny Brown,
I too am happy that you have joined us.
Greg
Hi Jinny,
To answer your question regarding membership in a few word,"Beats me".
I think it will change by itself or maybe you have to hold your chin just right.
Take care,
Greg.
Hi Jinny,
Believe it's just a matter of 10 posts, or so, from new to full member.
Thanks for the info on the Pre-built Brush File. Something else new in Painter6 I haven't noticed before [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] And you would think a 165 meg file would be hard NOT to notice.
BR....
Jinny,
Yea! I was amazed when I took a look at it. Wonder just how big it could get? Performance seems about the same though. Guess I've got enough 'spaces' for Painter to do it's thing. Painter has always been good to me, and I haven't had the many problems I've read so many others have had. Except, as I mentioned on another thread, when I push a brush build past it's limits and it will freeze up on me.
BR.....
Hello Jinny!
Welcome to the i-us Painter forum! I'm sorry I'm late in welcoming you (but as you can see we have a very friendly, supportive, and helpful group of Painter users here and they got the timely welcome in for me [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] ).
I remember dropping by your site earlier when Felix le Chat suggested it to Robin Gilmor that your site was a great place to learn about Painter. I liked your site. I'm so glad you've made time to visit us. Hopefully, the stuff here will continue to be a compelling reason for you and others to visit.
Does the bio updated have the story that Felix mentioned about your grand-daughter wanting to use the "good" paint program?
By the way, like the others, I am very glad you told us about why deleting the pre-built brush file was so important. I've never done that and would not have taken such (seemingly) extreme measures if you had not clearly told me why. So thanks for telling us why [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
And thanks for coming back [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (even if you did miss a months' worth of stuff here -- we understand)
PS: nope it couldn't have been a "senior moment" I have them too and I'm . . . well I'm not a senior. I think busy people get to be forgiven for forgetting sometimes [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] .
Cheers!
Athena
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Hi Folks,
I am glad I am not the only one having a problem with this Image stuff. This thing has gotten to be a matter of principle. I have been back to the drawing board so many times I have a rut worn in the carpet.
I am afriad this is going to hurt my "Soup Cooker".
[This message was edited by Monastic Bat on October 13, 2000 at 05:43 PM.]
Mike,
Please, if you feel inclined to edit my messages from now on, get my permission first. I realize that you're trying to help us out but it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable knowing that someone might edit my message without my even knowing about it until later. I like to know that what I send is what will be there. Otherwise, I'll just quit posting altogether. My previous messages have been deleted.
Hope you understand. This is the first list I've ever been on where anyone edited my messages and it was rather a surprise to me.. and at first I wasn't going to say anything about it.. but the more time went by, the more I felt it was best to speak up.
Thanks,
Jinny
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Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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[This message was edited by Jinny Brown on October 15, 2000 at 01:47 PM.]
Here we go again. The Great Spirit in the Sky is still talkin. I just had a power failure but I will try once more.
http://www.serenitystudios.com/images/Angels_large.jpg
This seems to have worked this time. I did the same things a dozen times yesterday.
Thanks for the help Mike.
I have gone from Tiger's tail to Kid in the Candy Store.
http://www.serenitystudios.com/Paintertut/Beast3_.jpg
Hello jinny, only the moderators on i-us can edit messages, as for yours I adjusted the image code to make it work so you could see how and that it works.
Don't sweat it, it won't happen again! I am sorry I got involved.
I stand corrected on the above statement: Anyone should be able to edit their own post.
[This message was edited by Mike Bailey on October 16, 2000 at 10:18 AM.]
Mike,
Thanks, I appreciate that.
By the way, if I ever do something illegal or profane, feel free to edit my message out of existence, otherwise, per the usual on most lists/groups, it's good to ask people before doing something to their messages.
Take it easy, I know you meant well.. as I said in my previous message.
Jinny
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Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Jinny and anyone else concerned, as a moderator on i-us please be assured that I would never tamper with or change the words, meaning, message, idea, subject, or any part there of, of any meaningful message conveyed on i-us. I did correct the UBB code on 2 messages after a lengthy explanation had been posted on the proceedure of initiating the UBB image code. My intent was for the benefit of those persons and the group as a whole. It is clear to me that the persons involved now have a clear understanding of the UBB image code as a result. I humbly apologize for any anxiety which my actions may have caused.
As a remedial after thought, I will concentrate
on keeping my own post error free and any attempt at assistance I make will be within my own messages.
[This message was edited by Mike Bailey on October 16, 2000 at 10:56 AM.]
So where are all the messages that were posted here? I'm still looking for Jinny's one about why to delete the brush file.
Hi Mike,
I just wanted to say Thank you for you help with inserting images into my posts. The bells went off as soon as I saw your message. I appreciate the help thanks again.
Greg.
Hi Greg, Great art work man! Thanks for showing
it.
Since Jinny deleted his post, most of us, well atleast me and one other seem to be a little lost. What are.. erm.. should we do? Mind reposting it again?
Thanks in advance,
-Kardis
Hello and Weclome to the Painter Forum, Kardis!
[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
I too, hope Jinny will re-post all of what she said. I hate to see anyone's posts disappear.
Anyway, make yourself at home, our Forum is your forum (to paraphrase a famous hispanic phrase [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] ).
Athena
Ah, is Jinny a female? It sounds more female in my head now anyway. I guess I'm a tad bit slow this afternoon, my apologies.
Ah thanks Athena. Not only am I new to the forum, but I am new to painter. I just got my copy a few days ago and have not had the chance to explore it. Have been a photoshop user for a while, its a hard crossover; though I doubt I will ever stop using photoshop. One good plus is that I never tried 'painting' in photoshop, or is that a minus? Anyhoo, any suggestions what to do now?
-Kardis
[This message was edited by kardis on October 16, 2000 at 11:33 AM.]
Jinny,
I'm glad you got what was on your mind out into the open. It is very unhealthy to let upsetting feelings fester. (Saying what's on my mind is one of my nasty habits [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] too [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] )
But by deleting your earlier postings, you've caused me (and perhaps others) to feel a little punished and chastised here. We are innocent bystanders who enjoy seeing your posts in their entirety.
Perhaps next time you or anyone else feels inclined to delete their own perfectly coherent posts, you might count to ten and remember that most of us here feel enriched by more, not less posts, from our members.
Or, to put it another way, I consider many of these topics to be ongoing discussions. And while your postings are unquestionably your property (and you can do anything you want to with your property) when someone takes their property out of circulation in the forum, it blows the context of our discussions to smithereens. And consequently new visitors/readers feel lost.
I'm mentioning this here because other people have also taken the liberty to vaporize their postings and it is a trend(precedent) I do not like to see.
When someone is frustrated or angry about an issue, hey spill it here --- we want to know. I'm not a mind reader and I doubt many of the forum visitors are -- so please continue to let us know what's on your mind.
But I think it would be courteous to all of us if people left their postings in place.
Just speaking my mind,
Athena
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[This message was edited by T. Athena Hatton on October 16, 2000 at 11:51 AM.]
Greg,
I'm so glad Mike helped you get that working!
(whew!)
Do you mind making one (or two) new topics in the forum and posting the pictures again.
so we can have a fun discussion about the pictures in their own thread.
Just a thought. I'll leave it to your own judgement. (leave the pictures here too just make a duplicate posting or add more commentary -- whatever)
Anyway, I'm really glad you got the pictures in the forum. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Athena
[img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Several messages answered in one response:
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Mike (Re: Editing Messages),
I think your solution is a good one. We can all benefit from your help and sending it to us in your own messages is the logical and usual method.
Thanks for your thoughtfulness in first wanting to help, and later in finding the better method.
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Robin Gilmor (Re: missing messages)
As mentioned in an previous post, my earlier messages have been deleted.
To clarify, I did not suggest deleting a Painter brush file. What I did suggest was:
After a Painter session, when Painter is closed, go to the Painter main folder, find the "Pre-built Brush File" and delete it. (Make sure you have the correct file first, before deleting it.)
The reason is that this file grows with each use of Painter and can become extremely large, sometimes in just one Painter session. When it becomes too large, it affects Painter's performance.
As the file is regenerated when Painter is opened again, deleting it does not cause damage to Painter.
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kardis (Re: Jinny's Post? Where?
Hi, nice to see a new face. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img])
Jinny is not a "his", nor is Jinny "a female" *g*
She is a woman, among other things.. including being a Painter lover.
Jinny is my childhood nickname.. for Virginia. I'm the mother of two grown human beings and grandmother of five ranging in age from 5 to 21.
Since I read Painter Forum on the web, it's not possible to repost them as I don't have copies myself.
There are some tutorials for Painter on my website, some of which are good for new Painter users:
http://www.pixelalley.com/tutorials/tuthome.html
I hope they help you get over a few of the first hurdles and begin to enjoy Painter. Especially check the one named "Learning the Tools Palette", and another called "'Erasing' on a Transparent Layer (Transparent Layer Masks)" Both of these are basic and will help you, I think.
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Athena (Re: Speaking up -- Jinny)
At my age (64 in September), I don't get upset much over anything that happens on an e-mail list or newsgroup. If it's worth the bother, I deal with it directly. If not, I go elsewhere. I decided this group might be worth the bother.
My messages were deleted as I awaited confirmation that future messages will not be altered without my knowledge and permission. As mentioned earlier, it is nearly unheard of on any list or newsgroup to which I subscribe, or have ever subscribed (and these are many over several years), for a member message to be altered by someone else, let alone without having consulted with the member first.
I don't want to beat that principle into the ground further. I think everyone here is able to understand my meaning. Obviously Mike did, and has made the decision to deal with member messages differently from now on.. for which I've thanked him and for which I respect him.
The decision to delete my messages had nothing whatsoever to do with you or any other member of the Painter Forum. If anyone feels "punished or chastised", I'd suggest thinking that over again. If you enjoyed seeing my previous posts, I hope you'll find something useful in future posts from me.
Should I ever feel the need to delete another of my posts in this forum (which is doubtful), I'll be gone with them.
Counting to ten is usually recommended as an alternative to an impulse, or a temper tantrum. Mine was not an impulse, nor was it a temper tantrum. It was a definite action taken for two reasons:
1. It was (then) the only way I could ensure that they would not be altered.
2. To make my point clear and to also make it clear that I'm not kidding.
Apparently, both of these objectives were met.
It's regrettable that I felt the need to remove my messages. It's commendable that Mike has found another method of helping members without altering their messages unless they know in advance and agree. Perhaps you, like Mike, can realize the source of my decision to delete my messages. I came to the Painter forum to learn and to share what I have learned. Nothing more, nothing less.
New members will not feel "lost" for long. Life in the e-mail world moves fast and the (minor) void will be filled equally fast.
If you are concerned about having a "trend" develop, which I doubt is going to happen, consider why one might choose to remove one's message(s) and know that whatever that person posts is an offering to the group, not to be expected, but respected.
Again, Mike has clearly shown that he does respect this. Thank you, Mike. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img])
Writing, editing, and even deleting one's messages in the Painter Forum is not a "liberty". It is a convenience provided to the members and is their right to use as long as the forum is set up as it is. If you want not to allow deletion of messages by the writer, maybe the forum can be set up differently.
As to letting you and the other members know what's on my mind, well.. I've done that. <g>
"But I think it would be courteous to all of us if people left their postings in place."
It was even more courteous for the source of my decision to remove my messages to reconsider and find a more respectful (and usual) manner in which to assist the Painter forum members.. other than altering their messages.
Again, any member of the Painter Forum who chooses to send a message, is freely contributing to the group. It is not a right of the other members to receive these messages. On the contrary, it is a gift they can enjoy and respect... not demand, take for granted, or misuse.
Perhaps my approach comes from having been a professional artist for nearly 30 years, working with other professionals in "real life" as well as in e-mail lists and newsgroups for almost 6 years, and having seen that there is also a "professional" and ethical way for groups to work together. You have a good bunch of people here and I think everyone can benefit from working and playing together in an atmosphere of respect and professionalism... not stiff and unyielding.. but thoughtful and considerate.
Now, shall we get on with what we came her for? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif[/img])
Jinny
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Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Hi everyone,
I tried several times to post this message to the Welcome thread on October 16, 2000. Since it wouldn't post, I gave up and began a new thread.
Although some of it's old news by now, some may be helpful so I'm posting it here today, to make sure the people I responded to know that I did. Here's what I wrote in the message posted to the new thread:
__________________
Since I've attempted to post this response three times in the Welcome thread and it doesn't seem to be taking, I'm starting a new thread. I sincerely hope that all of my former attempts to send don't result in multiple postings on the Welcome thread. If they do, my apologies.
I wonder why, though, I was able to post a message in another thread and have it appear instantly? Hmmm....
Here's the one I've been trying to send to the Welcome thread.
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Several messages answered in one response:
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Mike (Re: Editing Messages),
I think your solution is a good one. We can all benefit from your help and sending it to us in your own messages is the logical and usual method.
Thanks for your thoughtfulness in first wanting to help, and later in finding the better method.
___________________________________
Robin Gilmor (Re: missing messages)
As mentioned in an earlier post, my earlier messages have been deleted.
To clarify, I did not suggest deleting a Painter brush file. What I did suggest was:
After a Painter session, when Painter is closed, go to the Painter main folder, find the "Pre-built Brush File" and delete it. (Make sure you have the correct file first, before deleting it.)
The reason is that this file grows with each use of Painter and can become extremely large, sometimes in just one Painter session. When it becomes too large, it affects Painter's performance.
As the file is regenerated when Painter is opened again, deleting it does not cause damage to Painter.
________________________________
kardis (Re: Jinny's Post? Where?
Hi, nice to see a new face. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jinny is not a "his", nor is Jinny "a female" *g*
She is a woman, among other things including being a Painter lover. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jinny is my childhood nickname.. for Virginia. I'm the mother of two grown human beings and grandmother of five ranging in age from 5 to 21.
Since I read Painter Forum messages on the web, it's not possible to repost as I don't have copies myself.
There are some tutorials for Painter on my website, some of which are good for new Painter users:
http://www.pixelalley.com/tutorials/tuthome.html
I hope they help you get over a few of the first hurdles and begin to enjoy Painter. Especially check the one named "Learning the Tools Palette", and another called "'Erasing' on a Transparent Layer (Transparent Layer Masks)" Both of these are basic and will help you, I think.
_________________________________
Athena (Re: Speaking up -- Jinny)
At my age (64 in September), I don't get upset much over anything that happens on an e-mail list or newsgroup. If it's worth the bother, I deal with it directly. If not, I go elsewhere. I decided this group might be worth the bother.
My messages were deleted as I awaited confirmation that future messages will not be altered without my knowledge and permission. As mentioned earlier, it is nearly unheard of on any list or newsgroup to which I subscribe, or have ever subscribed (and these are many over several years), for a member message to be altered by someone else, let alone without having consulted with the member first.
I don't want to beat that principle into the ground further. I think everyone here is able to understand my meaning. Obviously Mike did, and has made the decision to deal with member messages differently from now on.. for which I've thanked him and for which I respect him.
The decision to delete my messages had nothing whatsoever to do with you or any other member of the Painter Forum. If anyone feels "punished or chastised", I'd suggest thinking that over again. If you enjoyed seeing my previous posts, I hope you'll find something useful in future posts from me.
Should I ever feel the need to delete another of my posts in this forum (which is doubtful), I'll be gone with them.
Counting to ten is usually recommended as an alternative to an impulse, or a temper tantrum. Mine was not an impulse, nor was it a temper tantrum. It was a definite action taken for two reasons:
1. It was (then) the only way I could ensure that they would not be altered.
2. To make my point clear and to also make it clear that I'm not kidding.
Apparently, both of these objectives were met.
It's regrettable that I felt the need to remove my messages. It's commendable that Mike has found another method of helping members without altering their messages unless they know in advance and agree. Perhaps you, like Mike, can realize the source of my decision to delete my messages. I came to the Painter forum to learn and to share what I have learned. Nothing more, nothing less.
New members will not feel "lost" for long. Life in the e-mail world moves fast and the (minor) void will be filled equally fast.
If you are concerned about having a "trend" develop, which I doubt is going to happen, consider why a person might choose to remove his/her message(s) and know that whatever that person posts is an offering to the group, not to be expected, but respected.
Again, Mike has clearly shown that he does respect this. Thank you, Mike. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Writing, editing, and even deleting one's messages in the Painter Forum is not a "liberty". It is a convenience provided to the members and is their right to use as long as the forum is set up as it is. If you want not to allow deletion of messages by the writer, maybe the forum can be set up differently.
As to letting you and the other members know what's on my mind, well.. I've done that. <g>
"But I think it would be courteous to all of us if people left their postings in place."
It was even more courteous for the source of my decision to remove my messages to reconsider and find a more respectful (and usual) manner in which to assist the Painter forum members.. other than altering their messages.
Again, any member of the Painter Forum who chooses to send a message, is freely contributing to the group. It is not a right of the other members to receive these messages. On the contrary, it is a gift they can enjoy and respect... not demand, take for granted, or misuse.
Perhaps my approach comes from having been a professional artist for nearly 30 years, working with other professionals in "real life" as well as in e-mail lists and newsgroups for almost 6 years, and having seen that there is also a "professional" and ethical way for groups to work together. You have a good bunch of people here and I think everyone can benefit from working and playing together in an atmosphere of respect and professionalism... not stiff and unyielding.. but thoughtful and considerate.
Now, shall we get on with what we came her for? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Jinny
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Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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Um... Is there a good reason my posts to this thread are not accepted?
Jinny
Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com
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