Have Page & Layout Designer and wish to produce A4 Landscape Folded Brochure 30 Plus Pages. Cannot find suitable template or any template that fills the need. Not sure if I'm in correct forum but help please.
Regards
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Have Page & Layout Designer and wish to produce A4 Landscape Folded Brochure 30 Plus Pages. Cannot find suitable template or any template that fills the need. Not sure if I'm in correct forum but help please.
Regards
If Xara templates are not filling what you need, take a look at https://www.template.net/ they offer several different types that you maybe able to modify.
Another option is to look at Xara Cloud, they have a lot of templates that you maybe able to use for a fairly reasonable price.
https://www.xara.com/templates/new/
Ray.
Are you after an imposition of 32 pages onto 8 sheets of A4 paper? Each page being A5 Landscape?
Are the sheets to be folded and then nested or grouped into a number of nests and folded or just stacked?
There is no such template.
Try tackling 4 pages onto one sheet.
The inner pages 2 & 3 would open up be easily read.
For page 1 to be read, you fold the sheet and now page 1 is printed upside down relative to page 2, as is page 4 to page 3.
So my understanding would be a printing order of 4-1 & 2-3 as most printers can be told to flip for the second side.
The next output would be 8-5 & 6-7.
I am sure there are better approaches so a TGer may be correcting this quite soon.
Acorn
Wouldn't you be printing page 1 & 32 and 2 & 31 together on the same page?
So what if you then go to 34 pages?Quote:
Originally Posted by ss-kalm
I was suggesting that a grouping of sets of four, folded and then stacked gives far less brain ache.
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Acorn
Interesting challenge Tel. Here's my possible solution.
Here's my template:
Egg It's a long time since we spoke. Thanks for the reply. I have turned to Xara because I love the way pages are constructed especially images with repel text facility. However Publisher makes life so much easier that I'm afraid I think I will go back to that app. Shame, but I have been looking all day for a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill
Regards Terry
Acorn I thought you had retired. It's a long time since we spoke. Thanks for the reply. I have turned to Xara because I love the way pages are constructed especially images with repel text facility. However Publisher makes life so much easier that I'm afraid I think I will go back to that app. Shame, but I have been looking all day for a solution.
Ray Thanks for the reply. I have turned to Xara because I love the way pages are constructed especially images with repel text facility. However Publisher makes life so much easier that I'm afraid I think I will go back to that app. Shame, but I have been looking all day for a solution.
Regards Terry
Actually this may be even easier. If you produce the document as 30 separate pages, then ask the printer to print as a brochure, it will do the thinking for you, and arrange the pages as necessary.
Sorry Keith, are you talking about a printer as youd have at home or a printer that runs a commercial printing company?
Imposed documents need to be in multiples of 4 pages. The export needs to be as single pages.
If printing to a desktop type printer, Adobe Reader--or just about any pdf reader--can print the single page pdfs as a booklet. It's usually less expensive to just take the pdf as single pages to a quick/office print establishment and have them print and bind it. If one has a bit larger, office type printer, they usually have an in-built booklet print function that again, uses a pdf exported as single pages.
If one is going to be imposing often enough, it usually pays to buy and use an imposition application to account for the folded paper thickness (creep). If one is only going to use letter or A4, there's even a free, good imposition application (Windows only) available. That, along with a creaser (or a folding machine), a capable stapler and shear, one can crank out booklets at a good pace.
Actually I will be producing in batches of 16 pages, stapling and then binding. I will guillotine any creep. There could be be 10 batches of 16 pages, I did not explain well enough at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ss-kalm
My true interest is the production of the pages, writing text and inserting images and the continuous write-up from page to page. Also the editing ability when you insert text etc in an existing page for it to insert and move the storey along in a logical manner. The printing seems incredibly complex which appears to be the main thrust of discussions. My printer prints double sided which suits the production of the brochure that I produce.
Once again I love the page construction of Xara that I have used for a number of year with WEB Designer, I would like to use this in Desk Top Publishing but it is getting very complicated from what I read from you. I was hoping that someone would point me to a template that would let me achieve this. I appreciate all the effort that goes into your replies. At the moment Microsoft Publisher is still the front runner.
Regards Terry
If the contents aren't adjusted wouldn't this mean that pages on the outside will have a wider margin to the edge of the paper than pages on the inside?Quote:
Originally Posted by golfertel
That would make it look untidy/unprofessional. If this is some newsletter I guess it doesn't matter.
Said the father of two daughters during the French Revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by golfertel
I like it.
Then you are doing 16 page signatures for a book to eventually be 160+ pages? What you describe isn't how signatures are made, binding is going to be a problem and page creep is too.Quote:
Originally Posted by golfertel
I've made books by hand through the binding and cover process for fun before. So I don't want to discourage anyone from doing it. But it is a lot of work I personally have reserved for special occasions--3 times in 31 years.
It will generally come out easier/better if you just use a commercial service, even a POD.
Thanks for reply. I don't understand what you mean by "signatures". An honest answer. However you still have to compose the pages as I described and that is not what I'm be able to achieve in Xara, unless you are going to tell me differently. I have to admit that I'm now also looking at Affinity Publisher which seems interesting. Maybe I should not say that on here but while we are being honest.
Depending on your answer I think I should close this thread.
Regards Terry
Text flow is quite simple on an 8 page leaflet but I think going beyond 8 pages would become quite cumbersome. I attach a working template.
it's the only way to get ahead.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris M
Said the father of two daughters during the French Revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by golfertel
I can recommend affinity publisher; that said I have nothing to add to what's already been said on the actual process
[xara page and layout is effectively dead, hasn't been updated for years]
Maybe I misunderstood the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by golfertel
The 16 pages that you intend to staple, if they are part of a larger volume, say your 10 16 page booklets, those 16 page sections are called signatures.Quote:
Actually I will be producing in batches of 16 pages, stapling and then binding.
A book is designed in reading order from the first to last page. That is then output to pdf as single pages in that same reading order. If you want to print this yourself, then just use Adobe Reader and set it the print as a booklet and it will rearrange the pages properly as long as there are 4 page increments to the pdf. So 4, 8, 12, 16 and so on number of pages.
Creep isn't just the fact that as you insert folded pages inside each other, the page edges advance outward. The content that is on those pages also do. Creep settings in imposition software uses one of 3 different means to account for that (1) inner page content can be automatically moved inwards half the thickness of the paper on each sheet (2) the reverse, outer page content can be moved outwards half the thickness of the paper on each sheet or (3) a combination of both. This happens so content appears to be in the same place as regards inner/outer margins, then the stapled/bound pages are trimmed.
APub isn't going to be of help here. Neither would InDesign nor QuarkXPress per se.
But...if those 16 page documents are not going to be part/sections of a larger work? Pretty much disregard most of what I have written...but do work in reading order, output as single pages in reading order and use a capable pdf reader such as the free Adobe Reader to print that pdf as a booklet. Anything else is creating more work for zero gain.
Thanks for your effort as usual Egg
I wish I had known that about xara page and layout I have been trying hard to get somewhere with it. Thanks handrawn.
Thanks mwenz. You certainly know your subject and that is a great help to me, appreciated. This started off as a simple project and I was going to leave the printing and binding etc to last so I'm very pleased I investigated at this stage. What a great response from you all.
I NEED TO STOP THIS THREAD NOW SO IF SOMEONE WOULD REMIND ME WHAT TO DO I WOULD BE GRATEFUL.
Regards Terry
only mods can close threads on TG - if you really want it closed you will need to PM one - by and large though the policy on TG is to leave them open unless they become contentious or a target for spam...
OK That's fine. ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
you are welcome - I hope your project goes well
Yes, good luck with it.
Once it's done, it would be nice if you reported back, and let us know what pitfalls you encountered, how you overcame them and how the final project turned out.
As requested just to let you know how the problem was resolved. I have settled on MS Publisher for a number of reasons. One the ease of compiling pages even though I'm still learning. But the main reason is the Publisher sorts out the printing of batches of pages, signatures was I believe the correct terminology' without any intervention from yourself. As I said my double sided printer deals with this easily. I have over 100 pages so far and binding appears not to be a problem.
However the question to the Forum and answers were invaluable so thanks to you all. Does this go out to all to contributes or just yourself.
Best Regards Terry
it's a public forum - you do not need to be logged in to view, just logged in to contribute - I used to use MS Publisher abut 15 years ago :)
Glad you have it sorted