-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thanks, Mike.
What you posted in indeed one glyph, I believe. It's supposed to tile. FYI, the wide, tiling glyphs I tried to put in the caps region, like DEFG and so on.
Can you point me to the vfb file on this thread, or email it to my personal account? I can looky see, but I do not want to post a correction if it needs one, will not. That's up to BILL at this point until he tells me to push off. :)
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I used Bill's last VFB file to look-see.
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...543#post439543
Take care, Mike
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
@ Christine BILL, sorry, and I've done this twice. Bill Taylor is Soquili online, Bob Taylor is iamtheblues and did last month's guest tutorial.
They're both Taylors, and I'm a tinker, okay? :)
-g-
@Mike: that is not a mistake. Bill needs to do nothing. The symbol in the capital J glyph is correct as is, no changes.
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gare
that Bob is the designated coder from now on and he alone makes posts, that he check, and if indeed we got two J's, let Bob spot the dupe, hopefully the one he doesn't delete is approximately 650 units high because that's what I strove for, and he can add Christine's and the ones I uploaded and attached earlier.
That sounds good to me but,
what does
Quote:
he alone makes posts.
mean?
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Larry, I think what Gary means is that Bill is now the person to make any corrections / alterations and post the results. We ended up with a few in-progress versions and also compiled font versions by various people and it will be best if Bill alone does it now that we are <--> this close to being done.
Take care, Mike
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I Larry Leiker, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, I grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose
Larry E. Leiker USA
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Sorry for being AWOL for most of the morning. Life gets in the way sometimes and homeowners know how unexpected emergencies can happen. ;)
It will be awhile before I can look over the extra glyphs and fit them into the font files. Sometime this evening I would expect.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Ok so Mike is doing the PDF key guide, I am doing some PNG examples, we still need a volunteer to do a read me file, this can be a simple plain text file ( you can use notepad or wordpad, or I believe Mike mentioned Notepad++ a free open source editor elsewhere on the forums.
Once we have a final (really final ;)) ) version of the font and all the source materials are ready I'll package them up in a zip file and post them in our Gallery and start a font play thread.
I am also going to do a youtube video demo of a quick and easy project using the font in Designer Pro, but I am waiting to use the actual finalized font for this so depending on my schedule it may be a day or two before I have it done.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Also if any of you haven't yet posted your release please do so Thanks!
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
@ Larry—
It means everyone can contribute and kibbutz, but those of us equipped with FontLab or Type Tool SHOULDN'T post a new version of the typeface, thus creating confusion as to the most current, real version.
I didn't want to make it sound like a dictatorship, Larry. I just see already massive confusion over the finished typeface. I don't see that Bill has checked in (Bill Taylor, not Bob Taylor, my goof, sorry!), so I'm not sure he'll agree to be FontMaster, but this thing's not going to get finished if everyone with a typeface creation program posts their own "finished" version of Burgeon.
Let one person do the code, let one person upload the typeface, let everyone make suggestions.
We're real close I think.
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Well my little emergency has been resolved and my bank account significantly reduced. :(
I don't mind being FontMaster, I'm learning new things constantly during this collaboration. FontLab Studio (5.0.4) offers many new features that FontLab 3.1 was never designed to do.
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
@Frances—
I'm attaching a readme.txt document to this message. Here's the contents:
¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
The Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG Typeface
April 2012 The TalkGraphics Fonts and Typography Forum
a fantastic ornamental typeface for Xara and other graphics programs, traced over the original Burgeon specimen catalog for stamps by Michele, Bill, Mike, Frances, Christine, Larry, and Gary, members of the Fonts and Typography Group at TalkGraphics.com.
© 2012, The Fonts and Typography Group @ talkgraphics.com
http://www.talkgraphics.com/forumdis...and-Typography
¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
Dear Graphics-Loving Individual,
Thank you for downloading this file. The content that accompanies this file has been brought to you by The Fonts and Typography Forum @ TalkGraphics.com.
You can freely use it as a component for both your private and commercial projects, including software, online services, templates and themes. The content, as a standalone item may not be resold, sublicensed, rented, transferred or otherwise made available for use. Additionally, this free font may not be offered for free downloading from websites other than TalkGraphics.com.
Please link to—
http://www.talkgraphics.com/forumdis...and-Typography
—the area online in which this free content was released if you would like to spread the word.
Yours sincerely,
Gary David Bouton, for
The Fonts and Typography Forum
@ TalkGraphics.com
I'd appreciate it if we didn't discuss this text to death and just run with it :). It's legal enough, so it serves its purpose and I use the gist of it all the time whenever I post free stuff, with my own credits substituted, natch'.
My Best,
Gary
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thanks for doing that Gare it looks good. I was about to contact Mike about that very thing.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
You're welcome, Larry.
It's a very handy template for plugging in specific items. Save it and re-use it with our next fonts.
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
We do need to discuss this.
Quote:
The content, as a standalone item may not be resold, sublicensed, rented, transferred or otherwise made available for use. Additionally, this free font may not be offered for free downloading from websites other than TalkGraphics.com.
We can't restrict like this if we release as a SIL Open Source License.
If we want these restrictions then we need to write our own license. This language might also keep folks who are paying attention from being able to use the Font Squirrel generator and other stuff. And it in someways conflicts with the first sentence below.
Quote:
You can freely use it as a component for both your private and commercial projects, including software, online services, templates and themes.
Releasing under the SIL will give our font the widest possible use and make the conditions of use unambiguous.
What it won't do is let us insist on TG being the ONLY distribution point. As much as I'd like TG to be the only distribution point, I don't think that is ultimately practical -- you know it will turn up on the free fonts sites and I don't think we have the time and resources to try an police and enforce the limited distribution.
One of the goals we had for producing this font was to make a beautiful, well crafted font freely available to the world.
Another (perhaps unstated goal) was to attract positive attention and perhaps new contributors to the project which would yield more helping hands, more chances to learn, more friends to make.
Letting our font "fly freely away" with plenty of documentation to point folks back, maybe even including a formal invite to come and join the effort in the font package, will in my opinion accomplish our goals of gifting the world with a font (however they can find it) and attracting new participants to the effort.
I recommend that everyone read the FAQ on the SIL license and the license itself.
Additionally if we do go with the SIL licence we need to do the following (from the FAQ)
Question: 4.2 What do I have to do to apply the OFL to my font?
Answer: If you want to release your fonts under the OFL, we recommend you do the following:
4.2.2 Put your copyright and the OFL text with Reserved Font Names into your font files (the copyright and license fields). A link to the OFL text on the OFL web site is an acceptable (but not recommended) alternative. Also add this information to any other components (build scripts, glyph databases, documentation, test files, etc). Depending on the format of your fonts and sources, you can use template human-readable headers or machine-readable metadata.
4.2.3 Write an initial FONTLOG.txt for your font and include it in the release package.
4.2.4 Include the relevant practical documentation on the license by including the OFL-FAQ.txt in your package.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I think you are right Barbara, there is no way we will keep it from eventually showing up on all the free font sites, and some like FontSquirrel will do an offsite link and send their visitors to us to download the font. Others may link back to us if we ask them to. Perhaps we should leave that line out of the read me text.
Once we have our download package posted in our Fonts Gallery (which by the way I was wondering about renaming it as TG Free Fonts) I am actually wondering if it would be an idea to contact Fontsquirrel about having our fonts listed (with offsite links leading back to TG Free Fonts) with them.
As for the two items that need to be included in the release package I'll need some help with those.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Will someone please check to ensure that no other duplicate glyphs are in this compilation of the font?
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I'd be happy to do this, Bill.
Please, don't anyone else post this font back, okay?
:)
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Hi Bill—
I found no duplicates.
That doesn't mean there are none; it just means that neither you nor I found any.
I filled in a couple of blank code pages with this iteration, so yeah, it's a version past yours in post #179. I just wanted the thing to sparkle because it already shines.
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thank you very much Gary.
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I hate to tell you guys this, but numbers 1 and 2 are the same except 1 (or is it 2?) is inverted.
Attachment 88932
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Not a mistake, Frances. I did this.
I did it deliberately at a time when we didn't have enough glyphs and left it that way, because if you type 11111, and 22222, they each make an interesting border. People who use Word and non graphics programs can't easily flip (mirror) a picture font.
-g-
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Oh I see Well I think we are there then! :)
Now we just need
1. the PDF guide that Mike is working on
2. The FONTLOG.txt to go with the OFL - Bill or Gary could you supply this? (see Barbara's post here)
I can get the OFL and the FAQ files from the SIL site and I can now finish up with the png examples and start work on the youtube demo
Oh and Mike and Michelle haven't yet posted their releases.
I will be making sure to credit everyone in the Gallery post, But a big thanks to all who worked on this!
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I can't spare another moment until next week, so I'd suggest that you try to persuade Bill to do the FONTLOG.
But internally with the typeface, and this is invisible and cannot be edited unless someone knows how:
Attachment 88934
-
2 Attachment(s)
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I added the following information into the font using Bill's last posted and confirmed non-dup FontLab file.
Attachment 88935
Please note I attributed the license to the SIL license and provided the URL to the license and FAQ.
I also added the Designer information as per Gary's last post.
Bill, I can email you the VFB file directly. But I do have it and the generated fonts in a ZIP I can post if given the go-ahead.
Here is the PDF key also.
Take care, Mike
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thanks Mike! Don't forget to post your release! As for the go ahead to upload I think we will leave that up to Bill to decide.
I believe the FONTLOG.txt that Barbara mentioned should be a separate text file that contains among other things a log of changes to the font, Barbara can you confirm that?
Bill can you do the FONTLOG if need be?
If we can get these last loose ends tied up we will be done!
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Well done everyone! It will be interesting to see what happens next.
Bill - I got a little confused with some of the posts, it was hard keeping up with them all when they where split.
I Michele Mowat as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts,Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, I grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose
Michele Mowat, Australia
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Mike, I just had a look at the PDF, it doesn't match the last posted version of the font
Michelle: I am the mod who was splitting the threads, I apologize if I confused you but it would have been way more confusing to be working on 2 or 3 different fonts in the same thread.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Great effort.
I've taken a look at the most recent version of the Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG font. I think it’s a great effort, and the choice of assigning the glyphs to the plain ASCII codes is a reasonable one. The TTF format has a special way of encoding symbol fonts but I think it’s not a very reliable mechanism and is confusing to users. Also, the Symbol font encoding is not supported by OTF, so it’s very difficult to release a font with compatible encoding in both OTF and TTF.
I also definitely support the idea of releasing the font under the SIL Open Font License.
For the opensource Lato font which I helped my friend Łukasz Dziedzic release, we’ve done the following:
In FontLab Studio’s Copyright information section, in the "Copyright" field, we’ve entered:
"Copyright (c) 2010-2011 by tyPoland Lukasz Dziedzic with Reserved Font Name "Lato". Licensed under the SIL Open Font License, Version 1.1."
In the "Notice/Description" field, we’ve entered:
"Lato is a sanserif typeface family designed in the Summer 2010 by Warsaw-based designer Lukasz Dziedzic ("Lato" means "Summer" in Polish). It tries to carefully balance some potentially conflicting priorities: it should seem quite "transparent" when used in body text but would display some original traits when used in larger sizes. The classical proportions, particularly visible in the uppercase, give the letterforms familiar harmony and elegance. At the same time, its sleek sanserif look makes evident the fact that Lato was designed in 2010, even though it does not follow any current trend. The semi-rounded details of the letters give Lato a feeling of warmth, while the strong structure provides stability and seriousness."
In the License information section, in the "License" field, we’ve entered:
"Copyright (c) 2010-2011 by tyPoland Lukasz Dziedzic (http://www.typoland.com/) with Reserved Font Name "Lato". Licensed under the SIL Open Font License, Version 1.1 (http://scripts.sil.org/OFL)."
In the License URL field, we've entered:
"http://scripts.sil.org/OFL"
So my recommendation would be to write some short story in the Notice/Description field, and format the Copyright and License fields with the addition: with Reserved Font Name "Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG". This is a good hint to other font developers that if they wanted to extend the font, they'd need to change the name (as per terms of the OFL).
Best regards,
Adam
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thank you, Adam!
This will be of great help and a wonderful information point for the group.
This is a fairly large typeface, over 100K as Opentype. This is sort of a regret, and looking backwards (where one's vision is always 20/20) I'd have provided simpler glyphs to trace. My feeling is that a certain point, it's wiser to distribute designs as native vector pages (Xara, Illustrator, and so on) instead of embedding them in a font. The font loads quickly for you and is usable?
I didn't code the font as Symbol, because we're a Xara-oriented group, and Xara Designer doesn't make distinctions with certain types of coding. Example: Xara Designer cannot distinguish between Demi and Bold, at least this hasn't been my experience. If I declare a font as Demibold, and another one as Bold in the same family, Xara will not see one or the other. It could be my inexpertise, but I don't think so, because I cannot load and then see all the members of the Linotype render of Futura.
Attachment 88938
That's a problem for another day, though.
Thank you again for your info and participation here!
My Best,
Gary
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Adam thank you very much for your advice it is very helpful.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Frances I am reading the SIL OFL and the information about the FONTLOG.
I should have something ready later today.
-
1 Attachment(s)
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
angelize
What didn't match up would have been nice to know.
From what I could see, there was an extra ! mark and an old character left from one of the previous, previous, previous iterations.
If anyone sees more differences, please note what they are.
Take care, Mike
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thanks Mike for the corrected Pdf it looks great! Apologies for not pointing out what didn't match.
OK so this is what we will have for the upload package:
- the open type font file
- the true type font file
- the OFL
- the OFLFAQ.text
and when Bill gets finished with the FONTLOG.txt we will have that.
Bill also would you mind taking a look at the last posted version of the font and the post by Adam and make any changes to the font information and font license fields you think are necessary? I am asking that we let Bill do this to keep confusion down.
I am going to post the key guide pdf separately in the same thread for a couple of reasons, one being I may need to keep the file size of the zip file down to keep within forum limits(I haven't checked that yet) and two as Gary mentioned it will possibly get stripped by other font download sites eventually so this will be a way to encourage folks to come to TG and get the whole package here.
Everyone: pat yourselves on the back for a job well done! I thank one and all for your contributions!
Once Bill posts the finalized font files with the proper info in the aforementioned fields and the FONTLOG.txt I'll prepare the download package and make the gallery post, and once that is done we can all move on to the next projects :D
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Frances I have incorporated the suggestions that Adam made into the FontLab file.
The attached .zip contains the FontLab VFB, TTF, OTF, files along with Mike's PDF, and the ChangLog.txt file.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
If need be I can create a .zipx compressed file but I do not know how many people use WinZip which would be required to open the archive.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
I think that we should keep it plain zip. That way Mac and Linux, etc. can open without any problem -- and our font will be going out to the world at large.
-
Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
Thanks Barbara that is what I thought but made the offer if a much smaller archive was required.
7zip a free archival application that can also make a smaller archive file and is available for Linux, Mac, and Windows.