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Turned out really, really nice, Gary. Well done to you and Bill for the clean up and to everyone who made the glyphs!
(I added the whole glyph back in <g>. Computer runs fine with XDP, AI and ID, and PP all running full font sample docs I have all at once.)
Take care, Mike
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More power to you, then, Mike.
I don't think I had anything else running, although I got a prima donna for a vid card, optimized for video and 3D, not for 32-bit font apps.
Actually, rendering typefaces to screen is phenomenally processor-intensive. You see how small a preview Windows CharMap gives you? Other engineers swap in their own rendering engines to increase font size, but I'll be darned if I could get your glyph into the font set AND export it successfully.
I must be gifted at something other than font building.
I must.
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No worries, Gary. It was a challenge--I am nothing if not (stupidly) stubborn.
I read this in a book somewhere. I forgot who wrote it <g>: Another consideration is how many nodes it requires to describe the shape of the character. Type 1 files require that a character has fewer than 200 nodes; there is no real limit to the number of nodes in a TrueType character.
Take care, Mike
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You want stubborn?
I killed off all non-essential processes after a reboot, and the links in my post #123 not contain that problem glyph as ! (exclamation mark), and I removed the now unneeded halves of the glyph.
The process went slick as a goose after whatever was annexing my video card let it alone for FontLab could export it.
Bill, if you would, please, check out the font; the vfb file is attached here but shouldn't be necessary.
I think it works. I'm going to retire now.
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Again...I want to thank everyone. I printed out a type sample and I gotta say that this is a wonderful typeface and I am certain it will find great utility in future work. My wife also throws in her thanks to everyone. She has watched the progress and loves the font.
Take care, Mike
(and I had to muck around some more. I replaced the 'L' glyph its full width version...)
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Great work Gary. I found a couple of glyphs with node issues. Both of them mine. :o
I corrected them within FontLab Studio. Makes you really, really appreciate Designer Pro. :)
The attached .zip contains the .vfb, .ttf, and .otf files.
EDIT: I forgot to mention I added a non-breaking space. :D
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So is this the final finished file? If so I'll add it to the Fonts gallery listings and I'll get a font play started and I have another idea kicking in my head :)
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@Bill—
If you generated the TTF and the OTF based on the vfb file, we are good to go, Houston. You missed one code page item (or it went away for some reason, but the ISO language is unimportant for a symbol set.
Well done, sir!
@Frances—I'll take my versions off this thread and we shall go with Bill's final build, Frances.
Yes, go do the voodoo that you do. We're finished on this face.
Thank you everyone! This would have taken a year to do myself, which means it never would have been done because I'm really not that ambitious. We have something, and I mean we, that we can all be proud of.
Publicize this sucker!!!!
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I'd like to say thanks to everyone that participated in the project/collaboration, and well done. Thanks to Gary and Barbara for finding the font and ornamentals, the input and ideas. It was fun to do and I learnt a few things by participating if only I wasn't a day behind! :D
I was just wondering about the dollar, pound, at sign and euro signs that Barbara mentioned for me to do, do you want them done or not?
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The .ttf and .oft files are generated from the edited .vfb so we are good to go for launch.
A couple of glyphs reminded me of holiday lights.
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Michele the dollar, pound, etc are for a different font and the second collaboration. Your contribution is still needed. :)
This is first collaboration that we have completed which is a decorative font that does not use those characters.
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Thanks to everyone that participated we make a good team. =D>
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade but I found a problem. if you hit a key stroke that doesn't have a glyph assigned to it in Designer Pro at least (I haven't tried it in any other program yet) The program crashes! I get an error message that windows needs to close the program and the program closes without giving me a chance to save anything ( Thank heaven for Xara's back up feature!)
Shift+1 for example as if you were typing an ! will cause the crash.
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Frances I can't duplicate that problem.
There is a problem that the cursor does not move but the glyph is added the the document.
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I still can't get that glyph to work. No matter what I try it crashes XDP7
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I'll take a look at it, but it won't be until tomorrow.
Scratch that, try this new .zip with updated .vfb, .ttf, and .otf files.
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Congratulations Folks!=D>
Before we officially release this to the world we need to come up with the following to include in the zip file.
1. A readme file that tells the story of how the font came to be along with a list of contributors and how TG is the original home of the font. Links to the font and forum A volunteer is needed for this.
2. A pdf showing the keys that correspond to the symbols. A volunteer is needed for this.
3. A png or two showind a sampling of the characters.
4. A license. Consensus is needed on this.
5. The League of Movable Type includes webfonts - I think we should suggest that if folks really want to use this as a webfont they should use the Font Squirrel Generator http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator to generate a webfont pack complete with css. Font Squirrel is constantly upgrading the service to provide the most bulletproof, cross browser methods for using webfonts.
I suggest using the SIL Open Font License (OFL). The original artwork is in the public domain, so the font really should be Open Source.
It is an open source license that is specifically created for fonts. The League of Moveable Type uses it.
Because one of the goals for creating fonts here, is to make them freely available for the world to use, it is a good idea to have each contributor to the font, formally licensed their contribution to the work, so the world can use the font without any questions. You are granting a license to use your work in the open source licensed and distributed font. (I am not a lawyer. The following is a cut and paste more or less from http://producingoss.com/en/copyright-assignment.html. In my non-professional opinion I think it is more than necessary for our project, but if anyone else wants to suggest language -- please do.)
Any license we use would require something like this, so would each person who participated in the project copy legalese below, putting their own name in of course and post it to this thread so that it becomes part of the record.
---------------------------------I ( name here,) as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Your full name and country of residence.
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What you say makes a lot of sense to me Barbara.
I might be interested in number 2. I don't know much about creating pdf files, but, I'm willing to give it a try.
"each person who participated in the project" I assume that means everyone even those of us who traced some of the glifs like me.
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Yes! Problem fixed! :) Thank you for looking at it tonight Bill. This version then will the one I will post in the gallery.
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Lower case d and f are the same as are b and r.
more:
e and j
l and t
Christine
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Once the final-final is done, I'll uninstall my version and create a PDF (#2) of the map.
I use this style. Just need to highlight all the text, everything else is locked, and change the font. Quick and fairly painless.
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I agree with using the SIL open font license. I'll volunteer to put together a couple of PNGs to show the font in use (I already started on one anyway :) ) And if the contributors of the pdf key and the read me file, which I am assuming would be a plain text file, could post them here in this thread I'll put together a zip file and post it along with the pngs in the Free and Fixed fonts Gallery and add our new font to the index :)
And as soon as the font is posted in the Gallery I'll start a font play thread so everyone can have a play and show off their creations!
I Frances Proctor as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts,Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, I grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose
Frances Proctor, Canada
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Barbara, I agree on using the SIL license.
Mike
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Hi Frances,
Please don't officially post the font until the support materials have been added to the file and everyone has tested the font. (post crossed in the "mail" -- I see you are going to wait for the elements.
Yes, Larry, anyone who traced and submitted, created code ( used FontLab etc) or provides any written material or other support material really needs to submit a release. I am submitting because I did the scanning of the pages from my book and donated them to the project.
Larry that would be great if you made the pdf. I think that if you make a nice layout in Xara showing each ornament with the keyboard key you use to access the ornament underneath it and then exported the Xara file to PDF that would be great. Once we get a license squared away and a bit of text created about the font, the contributors and the TG forum that created the font that info could also be added to the pdf.
Ooops Mike snuck in there with a layout. Maybe Mike and Larry can join forces to create the pdf with the layout and the adddiional info.
We are almost there!
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I, Barbara Bouton, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Barbara Bouton, The United States of America
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I Christine Farrelly, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Christine Farrelly (England)
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Gary Bouton's Grant of Use
I, Gary David Bouton, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Gary David Bouton (USA)
P.S. If you're replying to this, check the subject, because I've made this post easy to find on a personal level.
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I, Bill Taylor as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Bill Taylor, United States of America
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Do we have some glyphs to fill in the duplicates?
In addition to those Christine has identified the ! and i are also duplicates.
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I think this one is missing from my set.
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Bill, I saved a few because I used them elsewhere, didn't want to provide stuff I've already traced for the group effort.
The two red guys at right in the attached I know for sure aren't in the set because they are off the cover of the catalogue.
Please check the others to ensure you're not replacing dupes with dupes.
Your faithful dupe,
Gary
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@Mike—
The PDF is wonderful, but two issues will make it flawless, IMFFHO:
1.) you got dead space at the bottom of the document because these characters aren't used. Also, we need to fine-tooth this document because this is not the current iteration of the font.
2.) We need to count on the PDF becoming detached from the other files in Barb's wonderful suggestion to provide documentation. Nothing would be sadder than this font to get orphaned from the documentation by an unscrupulous jerk on the web (there aren't any of these, nor, are there?).
So I suggest the keyfinder should be produced as a standalone slick sheet, a selling specimen, designed just as one would design any commercial piece.
Here's a thumbnail, and attached is my rework of Mike's work as a Xara file. Mike, or anyone? Please refine what I've started?
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AS a PDF, we should probably put a hyperlink at the bottom to our forum, eh?
Thanks!
Gary
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As this font draws to a close, I think Frances or Larry (the Moderators here) need to assign stuff, because in the effort to close on this typeface, we've got too many revisions floating around.
I suggest also that everyone deletes the previous version of all working files for Burgeon from their drives. You can always retrieve something on this thread, right?
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Will do--which is what I mentioned in my post. Once it really, really is finished, I'll use the real font. Good on the header.
It is the file I use to print myself cheat sheets...which is why there are the other character locations.
Mike
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Hope you didn't mind me messing with it, Mike. I figure it's a group effort, an uncoordinated one, but we're all mates in this.
By the way, if you want to spare trees and still be able to find characters, there's something called "Character Map Pro", it's free, and shows nice LARGE glyphs. Also, if a font is coded correctly, you can double-click a thumbnail to send the character to the clipboard, then paste into Xara:
It's actually on our shareware page!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Christine Farrelly
My apologies if I dropped one of your traces, Christine. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it was very hard to keep track of abstract symbols submitted by different people. If it had been an alphabet, I'd like to think that I'd spot a missing alphabetical character.
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST_VWXYZ
Without U, we're lost!
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Alex's application doesn't copy the font to the clipboard on my system, just the ANSI character location (so instead of one of our glyphs mapped to 'N', the letter N pastes into XDP, and so on). Window's charmap.exe, on the other hand, does paste the correct font glyph into XDP.
Thanks, though.
And no worries on the reworking--saved me a little work, eh?
Take care, Mike
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Does the letter J have two glyphs in its location?
Mike
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I'd prefer a Moderator to answer this, Mike. Too many cooks and all that.
Whether there's more than one J depends on which version of the font you downloaded. I myself have stopped work and will not post the font, to avoid duplications.
I suggest, and this is an alien moderator making the suggestion in Larry and Rik and Frances' absence this morning, that Bob is the designated coder from now on and he alone makes posts, that he check, and if indeed we got two J's, let Bob spot the dupe, hopefully the one he doesn't delete is approximately 650 units high because that's what I strove for, and he can add Christine's and the ones I uploaded and attached earlier.
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What I meant--for whom ever does the final-final correction, is this is the letter J when typed into Xara:
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Seems like there is a spurious glyph hanging about in that location (i.e., two glyphs are in the letter J location). The VFB file has this.