I totally agree with you Frances....I'm a firm believer in unity and that needs to come from the top down.....
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I totally agree with you Frances....I'm a firm believer in unity and that needs to come from the top down.....
Nobody is perfect obviously. Moderators are not angels. I just think they've done a good job overall of regulating whilst letting people have their say. The two [three ... four???] who have had their positions undermined have also been of enormous help to people, day after day after day. I'm not trying to start a war - I love TG and its atmosphere - I want the opposite ... with the mods back in place and the community getting on as it did.
EDIT ... NICE ONE ED! :-bd
@Paul: I never said that our moderators never make mistakes. Of course they are human just like the rest of us.
For anyone who did not see the original post that Bill (soquili) made a few days ago that has now dissapeared Xhris was passing himself off as a moderator via his signature. He was given more than one warning to remove it when he would not the Mods suspended him for 1 month. Apparently Xara overrode the moderators and reinstated him. Now two mods have walked over this and we could lose more.
Why does Xhris rate special treatment? Is this really worth losing Egg, Bill, and possibly others? Have you noticed that Steve (sledger) has not been on since this all began? When is the last time anyone can recall a whole day go by without Steve being here? Just because there have been times when we may not have agreed with a moderators decision does not mean that we should turn our backs on them now.
I think the moderators can stand on their own two feet and fight their own battles. I really don't think we should assume that all moderators want a particular course of action because it may seem the right thing to do. Steve hasn't been shy of expressing an opinion in the past and I haven't heard any moderator requesting any kind of campaign.
I'd rather allow the moderating team to reach their own conclusion and than try and instigate a course of action they may not want. If there had been a joint statement from the moderators on an agreed position, then that might be a differrent matter.
For the record, I am most likely staying on as a moderator. I am giving it some time before I make any decision. I cannot speak for Steve.
I was not aware of the number of posts that Bill has made. It is right up there with Steve in the 15,000 post level. That is a heckuva lot of posts!
At any rate, there is probably more than enough blame to go around. Xara was not entirely unjustified in their criticism, and some of my fellow moderators, myself included, have some times been short with members. On the other hand, Xara might have been a tad more flexible and understanding of the job and responsibilities of the moderator staff.
In the meantime, while the remaining moderators sort it out, I ask all the members to pitch in and help where you can. There is a link at the top of the forum screen, Unanswered Posts. Normally there are no more than a handful of these unanswered posts. But the list is getting rather long. So if you can help out with an answer or a pointer, please do so.
Hello Gary,
I don't understand the point "who as you know, makes TalkGraphics possible" I think it is in the other way around, XARA is not possible without talkgraphics or without xaraxone, everybody knows I love xara, it gives me a lot of satisfaction everyday, but all of us know that xara is not an standard in market and everytime you want to send a work made using xara you have to export in another format, that is to say xara is not corel or AI, but but but in my opinion as I expressed to every new member who asks about xara the greatest difference between xara and the rest is TG and xaraxone, I'm sure that xara is not the same without TG and TG are all the people who shares theire knowledge, but overall you the moderators who always are here at anytime, I've been surprised when Steve, Bill or Egg answer a question at 2 or 3am instead of being sleeping, now when you say that all this is made for free it is more unveliebable, 15000 post ???? who dares to rule an opinion/action taken by a 15000 post person and for free????.
I'm very sad, I'm very sad for the situation, for Bill, for Egg, for Xhris, for us.
TG will be not the same without Bill and Egg.
Im sending a Thank you by all theire help given to us during this time.
I hope that my english is clear enough to express in a correct way what I wanted to say.
Best regards and I hope this situation change and they return here, not for xara but for keep on sharing with us a passion.
Well I suppose this is going to be the shortest break a person can take. Gary has appealed to our common sense while this gets sorted out.....don't get me wrong, I think it's terrible that Bill, Egg and Steve are not available for service as moderators right now but the remaining moderator(s) need help....so whatever I'm able to do to help the moderators as per direction from one of our best contributor moderators, then I'm in for whatever I'm able to do......
Hey I think I loose something elsSteve is also out?????e,
Come on what's going on????.
I'm totally lost.
I think that anybody has to be able to resolve this.
Hi Javier,
I'm sorry, didn't mean to startle you....Steve just hasn't been around all day and that's very unusual.
I don't believe Steve would leave without at least saying goodbye and wishing people well....I suspect he's just sitting back at the moment doing what many are doing right now....and that's trying to assess the situation and do what's right for down the road.
Sorry, but in my eyes, the need for moderation is paramount.
Just like in sport,the referee's decision is final. Could you imagine how effective the referees in the world cup would be if FIFA overruled half of their decisions.
Moderation is the same. They aren't angels (agreed) and sometimes they make decisions that we may not agree with even if we were in possession of the full facts. The moderators forum is closed to us, and I'm sure that there are some prolonged heated discussions before a ban or suspension is imposed. Sometimes they may even make wrong decisions, but in the end the moderators (referee's) decision should be final. Period. Or it's not worth having moderation, and anarchy will prevail.