I was very taken with your piece, Stygg. Apologies in advance, but I immediately saw your design as a sculpture, for the home, perhaps, so I hope you'll forgive me for temporarily appropriating it. Full size attached.
No apologies needed Gary, it looks absolutely great as a sculpture. I would'nt mind a real sculpture of it now I see how it would look, it looks very calming and relaxing. Thanks for that Gary.
I thought an Infinite film would be interesting, if not an accurate description of it. Fractal (from "fractured") math, when mapped to a 3D domain using special interpretation software (which, happy, I found Mandelbulber for free on SourceForge!) can be traveled through with no apparent beginning or end. Please watch after the Gary Credit for a second, more humorous "voyage." I could have explored the first fractal for longer than 20 seconds, but the process or writing the graphics file is so processor intensive, I wouldn't have a feature length until November.
in·fi·nite (ĭn′fə-nĭt)
adj.
1. Having no boundaries or limits; impossible to measure or calculate. See Synonyms at incalculable.
2. Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.
3. Mathematics
a. Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.
b. Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.
c. Of or relating to a set capable of being put into one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself.
Why are we still creating images containing boundaries?
I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe you could draw some examples for us to go on?
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Originally Posted by Crow Haven
Are we not supposed to use Xara in our designs?
As infinite means boundless --
in·fi·nite (ĭn′fə-nĭt)
adj.
1. Having no boundaries or limits; impossible to measure or calculate. See Synonyms at incalculable.
2. Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.
3. Mathematics
a. Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.
b. Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.
c. Of or relating to a set capable of being put into one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself.
Why are we still creating images containing boundaries?
Thanks, it was graphical joke of course
this is real mathematical contribute -
Let it gradually cut from the triangle as shown in the figure. what area and what is the length of borders of recent "triangle"? :D Attachment 108172
The purpose of this thread no purpose, but only to post observations on...an idea? A reality? Something we sense, beyond our senses? I labeled this thread with the term "chaos"! :)
Maya asked a fair question: why are we creating images with boundaries? I think in my video, that there are no boundaries except that of Time.
Did everyone see Chris Nolan's Interstellar? The entire movie is one incredible Leap of Faith: that the only things that remain in the universe after everything else is peeled away are gravity, Love, and inter-dimensional travel (I think, it's been a while!) Instead of tearing your head off like 2001 to appreciate it, Interstellar reaches out to your heart.
Certainly we can and should use Xara in our insights on digital paper, Maya. It's not called The Photoshop Xone here. ;)
But even Xara falls away when you truly reach out for a glimpse that gives you inspiration. I defy anyone to "capture" Infinity, and that's not the purpose of this exercise/exploration. It's okay if you have answers after pondering this for a while, and it's okay to have questions. Turn this thing inward and ask yourself what you see in your art. Look deeply: is it self-expression? Is it Pride? Is it something larger? What drives you and for how long?
You know, if you turn Existentialism around, there are both answers and questions there. An Existentialist denies anything their five senses don not register. It follows then that when an Existentialist dies, the Universe ceases.
However, what if an Existentialist doesn't fold in on themselves and disappear? What if death is just a translation to another plane of consciences, the Universe not only continues, but the Existentialist has extra senses, some of which affirm the everything continues onto Infinity.
This could be one base of Religion, it's certainly a happier thought to hold through life than ultimately taking the Big Dirt Bath, and it's also an affirmation of Infinity.
I'd like to throw out two questions. They're not necessarily either/or, and I'd like to do it in a drawing:
And yes, this is a Xara product in part. All the two dimensions and the labels for the boxes I drew in Xara, then exported my drawing(s), and added a third dimension in a modeler.
Thanks, it was graphical joke of course
this is real mathematical contribute -
Let it gradually cut from the triangle as shown in the figure. what area and what is the length of borders of recent "triangle"? :D Attachment 108172
I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe you could draw some examples for us to go on?
Exactly. No one has! If a picture is worth a thousand words, then why is it that a word conveys the concept far better than any image or multiples of images?
Regarding Gare's box image -- there again words are needed to convey what it's about. If you couldn't read the box labels what meaning would you gain from a group of boxes? Why do so many of the images supposedly of the concept of infinity use written words to get the meaning across? Why are all the old symbols constantly rehashed and no new symbols of infinity are created? You have to be told what all of them mean or you may just see them as connected shapes --- certainly not boundless shapes.
If you want to think outside the "box" you need to get rid of the box.
(and....uhmmmm......not to put you on the spot but you could always attach a .zip of the image if you don't mind sharing it with me ...ermmm... us :o :D :D :D :D )
No disrespect intended, but the only thing that I see is that you have allowed words to talk you out of trying. I will put my odds on the artist that at least are trying. I believe one day an artist with the unique talent to express himself in this area will put together something that will represent infinity. Throughout history impossibility was spoken before the developers of airplanes, space travel, computers... Today the phone that I carrying my pocket has more computing capabilities then the computers that took up several rooms. So the words that you put before us are just hurdles that one artist Will conquer. At least the ones that are trying.
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Exactly. No one has! If a picture is worth a thousand words, then why is it that a word conveys the concept far better than any image or multiples of images?
Rik. Very clever. I like your angry infinity. I have been looking over several of the pieces that you have posted throughout the forum. I like your work. Very clean and well thought out. They are brilliant I tell you, just brilliant... I was telling gare that I miss our old threads where we exchanged ideas add graphics. Lots of good interaction went on in those threads. I remember when I first started on TG. I was struggling just to draw rings and spheres. Drawing a car was an impossibility for me. Thanks to you and the other Artist here on TG I was able to surpass my goals.
Paul, just two seconds ago I was about to mention a snake eating its tail as yet another visual paradox/human homage to the concept of Neverendingness/Never-beginning-ness.
Well, I'm off to prison for violating my poetic license, so I'll see you soon; Rik's going to represent me in a court of lemonade.
As hard as it is for me to be serious, let me be so for a moment. I asked another Super-Moderator to edit this thread, remove a post of mine, and edit Post # 97 to reflect the thread editing. I hope what was unnecessary is gone and what’s necessary remains. Please let me add this:
My largest failing as a Moderator is that occasionally I get too passionate about a subject, forget that I’m here to encourage moderation to all, and I single out a member to redress or counter-argue. That’s wrong. No Moderator should ever single out a member, and I’d hope one of the Administrators would lecture them (me) as a consequence.
I apologize to Maya; what I did was wrong. My feelings and the content of the post that I asked be deleted are not germane to a healthy, living discussion, and I have to respect that, or I should quit this gig.
Instead I’ll try to be more even in my Moderatorship, set up a topic and see how it grows, and definitely stop obsessively tending to it. Usually threads grow fine on their own!
I return you now to the irregularly scheduled chaos,
I keeping thinking about how Surrealistic Art has played a historically honored role in describing the Ridiculous, the Impossible, The Unconceivable, and the Fantastic. It's all done with the serious hand of a humorous artist, so we can see them giggling behinds the canvas.
This submission isn't Great Art, but it does contain 2% whimsy:
I wanted to be the 360 Contrarian and put a brick wall behind the door, but the composition shouldn't be cluttered.
This dragon recreation is based on a tattoo that one of my friends are looking at.
That is a lovely image Paul but if you had'nt added the word Infinity, I wonder how many people would as a first thought said "Is that chasing the dragons tail" referring to opium addiction? The point I'm making is, how people see an image on its own but then add a word and it changes their perception of it. If I had posted the image for many dimensions in #41 without my thoughts on many dimensions, I imagine many would have said "what the hell as all these little grayed out men got to do with Infinity" :rolleyes: Just a thought. I'm off to fill my pipe with tobacco of course ;))
There is a validity to forsaking text when illustrating one's impression of Infinity: by definition it's so all-embracing, that it consumes text before you've written it! :)
I'm of both minds about the graphic+text stuff, though. We have been using text to accompany, not always to support or explain the neighboring graphic, since the written word was devised. Think of how much more people enjoyed a "talkie" after the invention of sound films, compared to a silent film, even a classic. Moreover, many films have subtitles.
Digression: The director Jerry Sonenberg said recently that a good way to evaluate the success of a film is to turn the sound off. Can you still glean what's happening? Off the top of my head, I'd say the Mission: Impossible movies fail because the action relies too much on an explanation beforehand, while the Marvel comic book movies seem to explain themselves visually just fine. Can you discern my sophisticated film-watching prowess?
Why not look at a piece and see if the text is a label or actually contributes to the understanding of the piece?
This dragon recreation is based on a tattoo that one of my friends are looking at.
That's excellent, Paul.
I thought about doing something similar, so, that'll teach me for taking my time!
But, I don't think mine would have been as good.
I keeping thinking about how Surrealistic Art has played a historically honored role in describing the Ridiculous, the Impossible, The Unconceivable, and the Fantastic. It's all done with the serious hand of a humorous artist, so we can see them giggling behinds the canvas.
This submission isn't Great Art, but it does contain 2% whimsy:
I wanted to be the 360 Contrarian and put a brick wall behind the door, but the composition shouldn't be cluttered.
My Best,
Gary
Sorry, Gary.
I can't agree with your statement.
The viewer is the judge, and not the artist.
You should get that printed, framed, and sell it for loads of money.
That is a lovely image Paul but if you had'nt added the word Infinity, I wonder how many people would as a first thought said "Is that chasing the dragons tail" referring to opium addiction? The point I'm making is, how people see an image on its own but then add a word and it changes their perception of it. If I had posted the image for many dimensions in #41 without my thoughts on many dimensions, I imagine many would have said "what the hell as all these little grayed out men got to do with Infinity" :rolleyes: Just a thought. I'm off to fill my pipe with tobacco of course ;))
Stygg
I hope that I'm not coming off as I'm opposed to text in illustrations. not in the least. A lot of my work needs direction. There are many artist out there that can dream up a concept and convey it entirely without words. (i'm not one of them) They don't need any inspiration from anybody else. They are like little kids saying what if? And putting it on canvas. Wow, I envy that type of artist. I enjoy these threads because they help me build my artistic skills and share some what I have learned with others. Several artist on this forum have help me develop and challenge my skills. I've mainly enjoy the challenge of trying to reproduce something in Xara. A car, logo, or object of some sort. Now i'm even able to produce ate work of my own with the skills that I have developed here on TG.
That's excellent, Paul.
I thought about doing something similar, so, that'll teach me for taking my time!
But, I don't think mine would have been as good.
Funny how great minds think alike. I guess my mind just a little quicker. :)
Every time I look at you're post, your avatar just amazes me. I don't want to use a word brilliant because someone else on the forum uses that. How about smashing? Yes, that's it, it's smashing. You do good work my friend.
There is a validity to forsaking text when illustrating one's impression of Infinity: by definition it's so all-embracing, that it consumes text before you've written it! :)
I'm of both minds about the graphic+text stuff, though. We have been using text to accompany, not always to support or explain the neighboring graphic, since the written word was devised. Think of how much more people enjoyed a "talkie" after the invention of sound films, compared to a silent film, even a classic. Moreover, many films have subtitles.
Digression: The director Jerry Sonenberg said recently that a good way to evaluate the success of a film is to turn the sound off. Can you still glean what's happening? Off the top of my head, I'd say the Mission: Impossible movies fail because the action relies too much on an explanation beforehand, while the Marvel comic book movies seem to explain themselves visually just fine. Can you discern my sophisticated film-watching prowess?
Why not look at a piece and see if the text is a label or actually contributes to the understanding of the piece?
Hi everyone I'm late to the party but here is my take I went with a graphic like Paul's that represents infinity and love. I thought wedding rings are circles with no begining and no end so I thought it fitting to craft an infinity symbol from two wedding rings.