Thanks for the encouragement Gare, I just wasn't sure.
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Thanks for the encouragement Gare, I just wasn't sure.
I’d like to ask for a consensus here, but first, I’d like to explain why members toiled away tracing horse silhouettes and yet Bouton hasn’t come up with a tribute font for Bill Taylor yet.
The answer is: it’s not very good, not a fitting tribute to our dear departed friend. The concept I thought was a good one, to make 26 glyphs of a horse galloping, that if typed in sequence in an animation program (such as Xara), would result in a galloping animation.
I worked on the font from everyone’s generous work, but gave up after realizing this isn’t what we want to do to remember Bill. Trust me, it’s just not a great font.
May I please offer some sort of alternative plan? Does the typeface have to be Cherokee in theme? Would it not be enough tribute to create a handsome picture font, name it “Soquili” and deem that as appropriate?
I’d love to engage all in a discussion here. I’m available to compile a font, and I’ve even begun three or four originals I’d be good with just donating/remembering Bill by, no strings, just love.
PM if need be, and apologies if anyone felt jerked around.
I’m a volunteer, too.
My Very Best,
Gary
Well here is how I feel about it. I agree about the horse font. I always thought it was extremely limited in it's use, so I'm not surprised at what you are saying Gare.
Does it need to be Cherokee?, no I don't think so but possibly should have an "Indian" feel to it, whatever that means.
I don't know about a picture font, because those also seem just too limited. How about a "smoke signal" kind of a font, with all the letters formed with puffs of smoke shapes.
Just some random thoughts there.
We're here to discuss, Larry.
When I mention "picture font", this includes all non alpha-numerical numbers, and if we could gather 26 Native American patterns from woven goods, whatever, I can see the use for it, and besides, this will always be a free font in memory of Bill, so I honestly can't see any "exploitation" arguments.
We could even include in the Readme file that there are worthy places of Cherokee ancestry worthy of a donation in exchange for the font.
Again, these, too, are just thoughts.
I hate "all talk and no action" but I also want to do this right and with respect, and that's why I felt a need to post today after a lot of unpleasant wool-gathering.
-g
Am I not discussing by airing my thoughts about the matter?
@ Larry: I think that Frank was joking that it sounded like Gary was saying we are here to discuss you.
My thoughts on this are maybe rather than a font we should look at a repository of some of Bill's images and/or links to some of his posts that include tips, mini tutorials and other great stuff he shared here with us.
I'm not stuck on creating a typeface to honor Bill, it's just that a font has value, as I suggested, as a cooperative donation thing, while a repository of Bill's work 1.) might require permission from his survivors, and 2.) we can't suggest a beneficial donation be made from some thing a visitor can't download and use.
Again, just thinking out loud.
Gary
Actually I don't mind Frank's humorous quips. In fact I like them. I certainly do it often enough.
So if you guys and gals want to "discuss Larry" that's OK too.
There has been a long standing joke mostly between Rik and I about Mr. Scribble (Mr Whatdhidnsme) which started out with a real scribble in challenges and Rik's humorous reply.
OK back on topic, interesting suggestion from Frances, I'll try and think about this a little more but at the moment I like that idea.
Whatever the general consensus is, but I'll feel guilty that I let other members who worked on the drawings down by "copping out" here.
It's guilt I'll come to terms with, no big deal.
@Larry, because we've never met, I don't have a good idea about the thickness of your skin. You know as well as I do as a Moderator, sometimes one needs to "reel the thread back in", and if you're good with good-natured kidding around, as Frank would say, "Okay, this is me shutting up now."
:)
-g
Hi,
I did this awhile ago (quite awhile ago) but was wondering is this would be along the idea.?Attachment 97927
I went along and traced, my part of the horse.
And I am also not surprised at the decision not to do this as a font.
My opinion is to forget any and all images.
It's a font, we're trying to creat.
So, it should be just that. A Font.
A pure and simple font.
A distinguishable font that stands out, but not so that you wouldn't use it.
A font that I could use in a document, or for a logo I might design.
@scotty thats a nice brush :thx
@rik i agree
@Rik—
I agree with your post, and this sort of goes back to what I'd mentioned: Native American tapestry patterns could be terrific for bordars in documents, and it could also be used as Charityware if we stipulate it.
Again, I'm up for compiling the font: I just need direction and art from members who are willing to give this a go again once a consensus has been agreed upon.
-g
imo a decorative or picture font will linger in the basement of people's font collections
i'm up for text font that'll be used
It's going to be much harder to choreograph, Frank, because it has to be a collaborative effort.
I'll tell you what, though: I have two typeface fonts I've never finished, and they have nothing to do with the Native American Art or Spirit, but if you folks would like to see these WIPs, I'll post thumbnails, and perhaps logistically someone such as Frances can envision how all of us can pull together and finish the font, in Bill's name.
What say?
-g
i agree
so let's pressgang people
ok, no electroshock if i promise to be good, its a deal...
but seriously
how difficult can this be?
oh crap here come the electrodes...
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Better the electrodes than Mr. Scribble Frank.
OK I'll shut up now.;))
@ Larry and all—
The following are screen snags of two typefaces I've worked on but have not completed and would be more than willing to "give them up" to honor Bill Taylor.
Other possibilities are to trace "The Jenson Series" because they are Public Domain, or Native American symbols, which I have a problem with because I can't find one that represents Bill's tribe. Is it better to forget the Native American motif instead of "risking" a "politically incorrect" font, even if we state that the border font represents the culture of several different American tribes?
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The above is "Peter Maximum", based on my original, researched interpretation of the calligraphy of Peter Max on his paintings from the 1960s.
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The above is "Moondrake", a "Goth" sort of font I conceived of in the 1970s but never got around to completely digitizing this century!
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Jenson Caps
This is beautiful IMO, sort of like dreamy Sotrybook Caps, a la, "Once upon a time". I can see this working with a Celtic body text font.
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One of the pages I have from "Native American Art", royalty free and completely legit if you consider none of this stuff is vector, and the manual tracing of art necessarily includes human "intervention" and interpretation, making it our own artwork.
Thoughts?
-g
I forget, what tribe was Bill associated with?
Cherokee, Larry (and all).
Either the tribe didn't have very many artists as good as Bill (!) or my resources are poor.
-g
this site might produce something of interest
http://www.allthingscherokee.com/art.html
also I just found these, which are more than likely copyrighted.
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im working on a cherokee font
i'll post my first draft as soon as
You pull this one off, and you certainly will be The Man of The Hour, Frank.
Don't worry about coding the glyphs—that would be the least I can do after contributing to stalling the project.
My Best,
Gary
i'm lmistening to the oblivion film soundtrack
im inspired!!
:thx
Hi Guys, Sorry I've been distracted by a lot things going on in my life and just haven't had time to keep up with this thread.
Gary, I like the MoonDrake letters you posted. They remind me of Bill as he mentioned more than once about the fact that he used to do a lot of calligraphy. The real kind with ink and paper.
As Frank has generously started work on a "Soquili" font I'd like to suggest that MoonDrake be considered for a future project for our group.
we're making progress
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nothing's set in stone (but if you want to change anything you'll have to kill me)
it's (obviously)a decorative font
it will be upper case only destined for headlines
the design is based acherokee basket weave pattern
the style is classical elegant patient
its a labour of love and i've only done two full caps so far
thenext letter will be the S so we can wee what the wrod Soquili will look like
i also intend to include glyphs of horses and cherokee artifacts
i would also like to include a drawing bill so if somebody has a decent photo please put it on here or email to me
I have these two from my collection of TalkGraphic members.
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thanks larry
thanks steve
@Frank,
Now, remembering that glyphs in a typeface have only one color, and the negative space is merely space, to do Bill as a drawing and to do it with sensitivity, I'm attaching three screening variations from Rik's photos. One's a stochastic screen, another is a poster edges-type screen, and the last is just Thresholding. I think these might to be of larger resolution to give you more resource to draw over, no?
If I'm even close with any of these three, if there is enough B&W information in any of these to do a stylized drawing, you direct me if you need more detail, okay?
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I'm very pleased that this project has a direction again.
Thanks, Frank,
-g
not enough resolution in any of them gary but many thanks anyway for the offer
i found what i needed in another photo
bill is now immortalised in his own font
if everybody agrees i'll leave that glyph in there as "finished"
however, i may add another as determined by time and motivation
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Good job Frank. Leave it.
thanks for the feedback larry
if its not too much trouble itd be good to hear from some other people
if nobody like the direction the font is taking
im pretty much wasting my time
mind you i like it so even if the general feeling is negative id still keep it :thx
Sounds good to me Frank.
Hi Frank it all looks very good to me.