Ooops, I appologize for the long post. Didn't realize it turned in to such a rant! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Printable View
Ooops, I appologize for the long post. Didn't realize it turned in to such a rant! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
I do business... that's why for me personally, time is valuble. But when doing something for my pleasure I don't count how much time I spend on playing a sax or guitare.
@ Risto
Don't worry about the size of the post you brought up some interesting points - the most important of which is the conviction in your own art - the belief and development of your own style which is always important. Belief in what you do and the fact that you can always improve.
Derivative work is as important and hold as much impact as a photocopier. Ubiquitiy is boring.
Having said that I can understand the permuating vibe on this board which is one of learning technique rather than developing style. Which I real is rather a sorry state of affairs because you can learn how to draw wet tiles, bubbles or whatever - but that doesn't give you the tools to come up with your own ideas of what to use Xara for - to foster imagination - which at the end of the day is the main weapon of any designer or artist whether they be a hobbist or a professional.
And if I see another photorealistic car or motorbike I'll scream - that idea is still being touted a good ten years after a car appreared on the packaging of Xara Studio (the first release). Sad Sad Sad.
(PS Same goes for watches and clocks).
---------------------
@ Aviator
It's completely the opposite for me - that's why I design for a living and am thinking about moving into portraiture - so I don't have to think about time. The more you foster, said, imagination and yes admittedly technique, the less time you have to spend on work because you make good enough money that you don't have to work as much.
This was for fun. But over time this will become paid work as well - commission will be starting at £2,000 ($4,000) if any one's interested.
Availor,
That goes without saying.
However, if you spend 8 hours creating one portrait and get paid $800. Or you spend 8 hours creating 8 portraits for $100 each - you still end up with $800 in the books... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
James,
I don't think "it's a sorry state of affairs"... I think the "problem" is that you are projecting your "drive", "goals" and "expectations" on to people, on this board, who might have completely different ones. For many it's simply a hobby, something relaxing, something better to do than watch reality shows on TV... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Nothing wrong with that - or with realistic bikes or cars (and whatever it might be).
Risto
I guess you're right mate - I guess I want other people to inspire me and hope that I can inspire others. But yeah everyone has different motivations for using Xara.
Well If I learn to create that 8 hour piece in 1 hour, then it;s 800$x8 = 48,000$ http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gifQuote:
However, if you spend 8 hours creating one portrait and get paid $800. Or you spend 8 hours creating 8 portraits for $100 each - you still end up with $800 in the books... Wink
Let's strive for better, shall we not? http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Availor,
It was just a simple mathematical example - no need to get overly excited. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Are you telling me you make US $800 an hour? http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Please, do let me know who your (soon to be ex http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/cool.gif) clients are... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif (Just kidding! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif )
And if you check with your accountant you will find out that $800 X 8 is = $6400 (not $48000). http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Hopefully, you haven't a down payment on a Porche yet... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Availor: Let's strive for better, shall we not? http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
--- I think everyone does.
I like the work, very nice artwork going on here...
on the flipside, I would not discount other subjects or forms of artistic expression such as cars etc either... it's all just subjective personal choice eh..
have a good one http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
I haven't gotten involved in these debates before, but I couldn't help expressing my view here. I haven't posted one of my drawings in a while for the reason that, although I enjoy them immensely, I don't think EVERYONE enjoys them the way I do. I think that at some point, you can have too much of ANYTHING. I will say in closing that I have gotten comments here and via email from people who claim they were inspired to try their hand at drawing cars and bikes. Gary's drawing of a stop watch, in my extremely humble opinion, is GREAT art.
James, your painting (drawing) is exceptional.
ron