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In the past months we have already lost some really great Painter Users, who have posted once or twice and disappeared after wading through really boring posts that go on for 60 + messages with the original subject matter long gone.
Talkgraphics is one of my favorite places and I like it lots better than "the other place"
Lets re-group and make this a great place to talk and share Painter stuff.
Judi
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In the past months we have already lost some really great Painter Users, who have posted once or twice and disappeared after wading through really boring posts that go on for 60 + messages with the original subject matter long gone.
Talkgraphics is one of my favorite places and I like it lots better than "the other place"
Lets re-group and make this a great place to talk and share Painter stuff.
Judi
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Hi Judi,
I hope this forum continues. I've seen some very good images posted here. I just got Painter Classic with my Wacom Graphire tablet earlier this evening. I hope to participate with some images of my own when I learn to use it.
Soquili [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Business as usual here for me,I aint going anywhere [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Soquili you are gonna love your tablet....trust me on this [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Stu.
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hiya Judi,
(hehe spelled it right this time [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] )
You're right! This is a really great forum. We are blessed to have so many generous talents visit from all over the world.
re: the stream of consciousness of threads. that is the nature of this linear posting of threads. If infopop made tree structure available to our posts then a person who remembers something that the post made them think of --- they can be spontaneous and write about that -- directly under the post that gave them the idea. That kind of spontenaeity is just fine by me. As it is, we have to make do with the technology we have. Although I can see why some would be concerned about seeing more focused threads. . . This forum isn't going anywhere. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
hi there Soquili, fellow Xara fan [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
welcome to the Painter forum [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] . What corel still hasn't gotten a warning label on their disk for Painter Classic? WARNING:this product may be addictive. It's happened to Stu, it could happen to you. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Dig in!! run your new tablet through its paces. You'll wonder how you ever lived without it.
and post any questions, comments or pics. More diversity can only enrich us all.
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Athena
PS: I know I've been promising to deliver another one of by wilder and flippant tutorials and I have not forgotten that promise. it's just gotten pushed behind other work [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] sorry.
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If a thread bores you, then don't read it.
If you don't like an image: click to another topic.
Simple as that.
We all know that you are referring to Thelonious' V-mask.
Me, personally, I like people digging into the core of a program's possibilities, asking questions why something functions like that and trying to find hidden errors, like roads leading straight into a Grand Canyon. It is like reading books on Chaos theory or other new scientifical insights.
Thelonious' style is indeed heavy, but he has to because he tries to make an airtight case against a developement-thread in Painter that has been halted.
If you identify this much with a piece of software, a bare code that gives you the illusion of reality by producing coloured dots on a monitor or a sheet of paper, that you have the feeling that you yourself are attacked, then it might be wise to look at it from a distance.
Painter is a tool, nothing more, nothing less, to help your creativity. And to provide money to the developing company by you buying the product. Don't ever believe they do it because they really love your work.
And like all tools, it has to be as good as possible.
Compare it with a car: if you live in the planes, and your car is ok, then it's good for you. But if someone lives in the mountains and he discovers an error in the construction ot the car, then he is right too, and he has the right, or perhaps even the duty to make this public. Because the car has to be made for anyone, also for people who do not live in the planes.
So if Thelonious gives us a work-around, we should be grateful to him for sharing this. Because this is what forums are for.
And if Corel knew, but decided not to do anything about it, well, then I don't see why this should be kept secret.
My Eurocent [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif[/img]
If you don't work against time, time often works for you.
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Hi Judi
I'm curious, if indeed we have "lost" some Painter users how do you attribute this to the length of a particular thread?
Some people come to forums for a friendly chat others to sort problems with their soft ware.
The Vis Mask thread is a worthy topic which has been killed dead on other forums that pretend to be important repositories of information. As you can see it is a topic that riles some people, I don't know why. As Erik said it should just be a dispassionate matter of fact. However it has been cleaned up and restored. No other forum was big enough to handle this topic. You should be proud of the talkgraphics forum.
Even though it has credentials to serious discussion it is also a place where anyone can post their doodlings and I don't see that that has changed.
There is only one thread that goes to sixty pages so you must be referring to that. Erik has already stated the obvious fact that you can leave it out. However it is just another aspect to this forum. It is meant to be hard work to get through. In fact I will be putting some large images in as a barrier to the casual observer. It will be worth looking at but you might have to have dinner while it's downloading. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
However most would be aware of the price they pay to enter this thread. The choice is theirs. Do note that it has had 1700 visitors.
I am reminded of a conversation I heard in the foyer of the National Theatre here in London during a performance of the Merchant of Venice, set in thirties Germany. A couple of tourists didn't seem to be enjoying the performance as much as others and complained loudly in drawling american accents...wait for it...."why can't they talk in plain english". Indeed.
The talkgraphics forum lives on
Thelonious [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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and here is the truth as I see it.
Although it is not evident that Judi has anything against the vis-mask topic in general. You are correct she has something against Thelonious in specific.
She specifically mentions a topic that has 60 posts as the offending thread that bores visitors and if you look down the list of threads in the painter forum it is not the vis mask that has 60+ posts as of aug 31st 2001. It is the fishes topic that has 60+ posts.
Her criticism thrown against the fishes thread is that the thread is too long and does not focus on the original topic which was inkings' image of fishes.
Interestingly enough, I can think of more than one person who started speaking up in the forum just because they found the way that the fishes topic meandered so fascinating.
You are correct. Judi does have an axe to grind against Thelonious. One reason she has this chip on her shoulder against Thelonious because he and Jinny Brown bantered underneath a post that she made posting an image. That thread grew and she came back to find numerous posts underneath her image only to find that the discussion had morphed. And it was no longer talking about her image at all.
This upset her then and apparently it still upsets her. She does not like the organic growth of ideas beneath people's images. She would prefer that when a person bothers to share their work with the community that the community respect his or her work and focus on his or her image. or else, they should keep mum. I imagine that they are permitted to start a new thread related to the work if they so desire. Side thoughts and meandering ideas inspired by her image .or worse inspired by a comment on her image . .seem to belong elsewhere --- in what I have seen from Judi's posts in the Painter forum.
While I consider this a hypersensitive attitude, I respect that people see things differently than I do. I also like your suggestion. . .if a thread bores you, don't read it.
But I will not follow Judi's implied suggestion and try to narrowly define the scope of what a visitor can say when a person posts an image. I also don't see any point in segmenting portions of a thread off. As I explained to Jinny when she too complained that the fishes thread had grown long, if i cut the thread into parts i, ii, iii, iv, etc. then locked the segment so as not to have competing iterations of the same topic, then parts i, ii, and iii, would drop to the forum floor and new visitors would not be able to find the first installment easily.
We are all visitors and if a thread inspires you to say something, then say it. (please say it nicely [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] )
Yes I also agree with you. Thelonious' style is not for those with weak stomachs. He has a fine mind and it is wonderful that he bothers to take the time to investigate the vis mask. most would just skip it.
I think it is important for people to realize that whether or not you can duplicate the error Thelonious has found, does not negate the fact that he is encountering this error. I too have encountered a similar error in my exploration of the vis mask. And yes here, specifically, I am thinking of Doug Frost's post where he says that he does not have the problems with the vismask that Thelonious describes. yet in that same post, Doug Frost pretends to prescribe a treatment for Thelonious' problem. This does not make sense to me. . . it is akin to a doctor diagnosing a patient without ever examining the patient in person. That is a dangerous practice.
anyway, this is a part of the truth as I see it.
thank you so much, Erik. I enjoyed reading your Eurocent.
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Athena
ahh and I see that Thelonious and I were busy keying in our responses at about the same time. His reply (as always) speaks for itself [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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the fishes thread has had 1700+ visits as distinguished from visitors.
This does not necessarily imply 1700+ unique people have viewed the thread. It only means that the topic has been viewed 1700+ times. by however many people . . apparently no more than 1712 (as of the moment that I checked the count) but if I went back and looked at it again it would log my viewing of the topic as 1713. so while it could be one person looking at it 1712 times but that wouldn't make sense either because more than one person have contributed to that thread. So if we counted the number of people who contributed, we'd know the very least number who have viewed it. but it would still be hard to isolate how many unique people have viewed the thread since not everyone who views the thread, contributes to the thead. (and really a view would probably be considered clicking on the link. . .there is no way of measuring how far the thread was followed . . arguably the webmaster may have that kind of info . . whether all pages were followed etc etc. )
just wanted to clarify what we were measuring.
Athena
[This message was edited by T. Athena Hatton on August 31, 2001 at 02:00.]
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This is so very interesting. Why is it that this one person, Mr. Hink can give such a rise to so many? I find his post to be very informative and creative. Although most of the time I haven't a clue as to what he is so passionately writing about. Not to his fault but my own for not delving into the heart and soul of the program.
This is just a program and we didn't create it but to find faults with it is not a sin but helpful in pointing them out. I find lots of things so cumbersome in Painter but just try to work around them.
It can only help improve a program when others notice the things that need to be fixed. Sometimes I get so frustrated with it, I find myself pulling my images into my favorite program to finish or resize.
Come on folks, lighten up. Unless this program is your bread and butter, Thelonious isn't sugar coating the pros and cons. He makes this forum one of the places I have to visit.