Is slow loading of Designer Pro 11 Normal

**Gare** · 15 August 2015, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by mikeymopar

as my kids would sing......it's all about that cache, 'bout that cache......

Money don't get everything, yes, that's true...
But what it don't get, I can't use...
Oh, gimme Skylake, that's what I want
Oh, gimme Haswell, that's what I want...

Your OOB experience is quite like mine, Mikeymopar: about 20s the first time, subsequent times about 10s.

I have a solution, though: only load Xara the second time.

Brilliant, eh?

-g

**mikeymopar** · 15 August 2015, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gare

[I]Your OOB experience is quite like mine, Mikeymopar: about 20s the first time, subsequent times about 10s.

I have a solution, though: only load Xara the second time.

Brilliant, eh?

beauty of an idea - and that's why you're titled "Super Moderator"

if someone can work that into XaReg maybe they can help me out on my quest to get my version to have menu items spelled (or spelt) like in @xhris tutorials (colour, centre,...)

@Ron Duke - i don't know if previously you were running DP10 before the DP11 upgrade or some other version. also don't know if dp10 was 32bit or 64bit or optionally either (i jumped from P&GD10 to DP11). i guess what i'm getting at is you might notice a big difference in times since a machine set up to run 32bit will have less ram than a 64bit machine. it keeps seeming to be a ram/cache issue

**Ron Duke** · 15 August 2015, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by mikeymopar

beauty of an idea - and that's why you're titled "Super Moderator"

if someone can work that into XaReg maybe they can help me out on my quest to get my version to spell things like in @xhris tutorials (colour, centre,...)

@Ron Duke - i don't know if previously you were running DP10 before the DP11 upgrade or some other version. also don't know if dp10 was 32bit or 64bit or optionally either. i guess what i'm getting at is you might notice a big difference in times since a machine set up to run 32bit will have less ram than a 64bit machine. it keeps seeming to be a ram/cache issue

Well, I was running 64bit with vs 10, but I do only have 4gigs of RAM. So maybe that's it then.

**mikeymopar** · 15 August 2015, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ron Duke

Well, I was running 64bit with vs 10, but I do only have 4gigs of RAM. So maybe that's it then.

definitely. DP11 is a pure 64bit beast. dollars to donuts it's hunting for memory and using hard drive space to cache

**Scotty** · 15 August 2015, 10:39 PM

Running a 64bit program with 4GB ram...must be REALLY sluggish...as Windows probably uses 2GB for itself!!
I have 12GB and just get by (my opinion)
Jim

**handrawn** · 15 August 2015, 10:50 PM

idling along at 1.6 GB out of 8 GB [strictly 7.9 GB after low-level system requirement deducted] - windows 10 home

xdpx11 takes around 20 secs to load first time

**Gare** · 15 August 2015, 10:52 PM

Ron, a new board (yeah, I'm talking hypothetical dollars here) could possibly fit your current case, and if not, you can get a decent case with a decent P/S for about $100 to $150 and up. Instead of adding RAM to your current machine, get a new processor and DDR4s for memory. There's no equity in buying RAM to fit an older board.

A Haswell architecture will run you about $300 at newegg.com, 22nm as opposed to the Skylake 14 nm, but Intel is having production and distribution problems, so the best of the compromises is the Haswell is being "cleared out" to make way for a processor that doesn't really exist yet.

Now go tell me to fly a kite.

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**handrawn** · 15 August 2015, 10:55 PM

opening xara pushes that up to 1.9 GB

edit - oh and if we are talking processor, its an intel core i3 laptop

**Ron Duke** · 15 August 2015, 11:14 PM

Thanks everyone.
I need to find someone local that can sit down with me and let me show them what I've got and what my problems are and then instruct me on what I need to get/do.

**mikeymopar** · 15 August 2015, 11:16 PM

pretty much identical to my performance stats @handrawn

the part that'll hurt someone with 4G ram is the cache usage also jumps up, at least on mine, .8G besides what is being used "live"
on boot, cache use is 1.8G. start xara, cache jumps to 2.6G and holds even after quitting xara
connect to the internet and my cache used jumps to 4.9G

4G ram just ain't gonna cut it anymore
by the way, i'm running a i7 quad core which doesn't really help with speedy times with just one app as much as having available ram
that said, i also started android studio and started compiling an app and my ssd kicked in to make up for needing more cache space than my 8g ram could allocate. xara still started in about 12 seconds.

and ditto to @gare's post if you just wanna update your current machine