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    Default I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    Despite the negative comments generally associated with Adobe products, I must say that the more I use Illustrator, the happier I am using it.
    It's like it repays you for taking the time and trouble to get acquainted. I particularly like the way I can easily achieve grunge type effects like
    the one I have attached below. I wasn't able to get the clipping mask to do what I wanted in Illustrator, so I saved the work and brought it
    into XDP 7 to use clipview and on importing, it came in as a whole load of paths. I wasn't successful in grouping them all and so some got left
    outside of the clip...I liked the happy accident, though.
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    it should be good for the price
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    I sure dislike discussions which revolve around price. Pricing is really a take it or leave it thing and has little to do with the issues. For many, DP is too expensive. So? For others even more budget conscious, P&G is expensive. Again, so?

    Illy does work well for what it does, but isn't a do all, end all product. There are features designers have been longing for in Illy and likely will never get. Sound familiar?

    I have and still use Illustrator for some things. Mostly I use it when it is a company/job requirement as my design work is rather simply and doesn't tax the capabilities in either it or DP.

    Nice design, Bob. And it is a happy accident you achieved. I wouldn't have known it was an accident if you hadn't mentioned it. The elements outside the clip just look right.

    Take care, Mike
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    Quote Originally Posted by mwenz View Post
    I sure dislike discussions which revolve around price.
    so you dont compare products in the supermarket
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    sorry Frank, but you are being silly - I don't believe for a moment you do not understand what is being said

    what matters is that you get what you want and you get it at a fair price - there are many who need what illustrator has, and the price for that is reasonable; if you don't need it well, its not even an issue, is it
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    no, what is silly is not talking about value for money

    Adobe Illustrator CS5 €860,00 convert

    Adobe Photoshop CS5 €969,90 convert

    Adobe CS5.5 Design Standard €1 895,24 convert

    links from amazon.fr

    no wonder 99% of people who use it have a pirate copy

    i paid a grand for my copy of cs1 and regretted it ever since not because its crap software but because its hugely overpriced and in the end i found workarounds for everything using non-adobe prods

    and yes i compare products in the supermarket not because im poor but because i dont like being ripped off and this is no different
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    Even "ripped off" is a value judgment for the individual to make. You obviously have made that judgment as regards your purchase. Others perhaps make a different value judgment. Neither is the right nor the wrong judgment in this case.

    I do some testing for some very reasonably priced software. One title can be purchased for about $50 legally. There are known to be tens of thousands of illegitimate copies floating around world wide. Ripping off a company--because that is what it is--is not done by people with a modicum of ethics. And the flip side is that people who desire to steal will do so regardless of the cost of the software.

    Take care, Mike
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Frank View Post
    no wonder 99% of people who use it have a pirate copy
    hyperbole

    I can quite happily accept it is not for you Frank and you are entitled to think it is crap - but that does not mean it is crap and it does not make it bad value for money in it's target markets which are corporate

    just like the vector editor that I happen to know you do use, illustrator comes with a 30day trial period, long enough to check it out in comparision with said other editor which I know you have had for a long time

    eyebrows are always raised elsewhere when people say they buy product without taking full advantage of trial period..but I've done it myself and it is annoying true

    the reason I said you were being silly is this - in a computer warehouse [hypermarket] I have a whole load of choice - just recently I needed a new color printer and I could have spent anything from 200 GBP to 2000 GBP or more - the higher end machines do all sorts of things I simply don't need, and they are sometimes rather complicated to setup and or use ... this does not make them crap, and it does not make them a rip off, just because I can print perfectly well from a much lower end machine - it just means they are oriented to a different set of requirements and environments
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    you are basing your reply on the premise that highly priced products are inherently better than lower priced products

    that is simply not true, it is, in fact, silly
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    Default Re: I have to admit, Illy's pretty darn good

    its not a premise Frank - its a specific case [illustrator] and an analogy [colour printers]

    of course it is not true that all expensive stuff is better, but by exactly the same token not all inexpensive stuff is better either - depends a lot on what you need

    it doesn't do to confuse value for money with suitability for purpose

    in this case illustrator was not suitable for you, and a 'bad purchase' in your specific case

    but crap it is not

    @ BOB I really like that illustratoin too Bob, well done [I wish I had more time to explore illustrator, particularlly the brushes, which are far better than xara's but hey life is getting shorter by the day....]
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