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    Default Re: The controversial eraser tool

    Quote Originally Posted by covoxer View Post
    You want me to lie? No way.
    I was just hoping for behaving reasonably, actually.

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    well I thought so Paul, but I am trying to get head around John's argument by asking him for clarification [edit: reply to post 20]
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    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    ok - is there not a way to trim vector lines with an eraser without converting to shape?
    But then you wouldn't get that workflow. You see, all the freehand strokes are lines. And they all have some width. If we just trim the path, the end of the line will not match the actual erased area.
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    right

    so what you are saying is that the line would need to be converted to shape in order for there to be nodes to define the outline that was left after erase?

    yes I can see that John, if you are erasing a line's width and not just it's length
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    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    so what you are saying is that the line would need to be converted to shape in order for there to be nodes to define the outline that was left after erase?
    Yes, exactly. This is not a huge problem, all objects still remain vector. So the tool is vector obviously. But we lose some of the vector advantages here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    right

    so what you are saying is that the line would need to be converted to shape in order for there to be nodes to define the outline that was left after erase?

    yes I can see that John, if you are erasing a line's width and not just it's length
    Really?
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    Default Re: The controversial eraser tool

    Here's a question for someone who actually has the program in front of them at the moment (I do not, as I'm on my work PC): If you draw one or more lines, then draw a shape that partially overlaps, and subtract the shape from the lines, are the remaining portions of the lines automatically converted to shapes?

    The way I would imagine an eraser tool working is in Xara would be to simplify/automate the following steps:
    1. You have lines and/or shapes drawn on the page.
    2. You draw a line or shape over them.
    3. You subtract the top object from every object it overlaps.

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    Default Re: The controversial eraser tool

    Hi Paul,

    That /is/ a great video and we know that an eraser tool, in one form or another, would be a powerful tool that would give artists new creative possibilities.

    @John: There are many different ways in which an eraser tool could be implemented that would be consistent with the program's hybrid bitmap/vector ethos. Not all of those solutions would require stroked lines to be converted permanently to shapes, leading to the problems that you have pointed out.

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    Thanks Phil, I appreciate your post.

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    Default Re: The controversial eraser tool

    Paul - your image does not show erasing a line's [outline's] width - only it's length

    I think the point John is making is a good one if we are talking about a true eraser, and not just 'a remover of already exisiting nodes'
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