Edit website Online help, and thanks to everyone :)

[gutterleech]

Hello everyone,

Hope to get help regarding this. I read here in some post regarding an online website editor. Using which you can update the website online. I tried but, couldnt find the post.
Can anyone tell me the name of the site?

- second thing .. I would like to thank everyone on this forum for helping me througout the time I was using xara web designer and was a newbie in web design. Everyone in this forum answered all my questions politely, even many times i asked very stupid one. Due to the help of you all now I have started to create nice sites, and last month I earned about 700 dollars. I started in fiverr few months ago, but, started getting big clients. But, I dont use xara web designer anymore. I use serif web plus, and wysiwyg 7.5.

Unfortunately, I had to quit xara web designer, because, it html structure and less features. Many of my clients pefer to edit their sites themselves, and which is not possible in the htm files generated by xara web designer.

- cant implement jquery script, which can be done very easily in serif web plus, and wysiwyg 7.5. Most of my clients prefer to have jquery in their site, instead of flash.

- cant create forms, and many other things. Hopefully they will make it better in other version.



Regards
Manu

[James Allen]

I would like to thank everyone on this forum for helping me througout the time I was using xara web designer and was a newbie in web design.

Was a newbie? Heh. Manu, you exude newbie-ness.

Everyone in this forum answered all my questions politely, even many times i asked very stupid one. Due to the help of you all now I have started to create nice sites,

Can you provide an example of one? The one you owned is now closed.

and last month I earned about 700 dollars.

Wow.

But, I dont use xara web designer anymore... I had to quit xara web designer, because, it html structure and less features. Many of my clients pefer to edit their sites themselves, and which is not possible in the htm files generated by xara web designer.

If your many clients only paid you $700 last month, you must charge very low rates, yet they want to do the work themselves?

Manu, throwing away your tools before you even know how to use them is your choice, but you are hardly qualified to publish reviews on those tools as though you are an expert on the subject.

[ODdOnLifeItself]

I see I'm not the only one that thought it was less of a thanks and more like itching powder.

I have tried both of the programs that he mentioned and though they DO have some cool features, neither of them are really ART-oriented like Xara. (or, I found them to not be particularly inspiring...which is not to say they couldn't be useful)

Re: 700 dollars

At my last job, that was almost my weekly salary and I was far from an expert.

Re: "...you exude newbie-ness"

Green is more than just a color.

The "style" of the post should be familiar to those that frequent very many forums. "To think, last month I was learning about torque wrenches and now, I'm already head mechanic."

Thanks for the chuckle.

Peace

James

[James Allen]

I see I'm not the only one that thought it was less of a thanks and more like itching powder.

Indeed.

I have tried both of the programs that he mentioned and though they DO have some cool features, neither of them are really ART-oriented like Xara. (or, I found them to not be particularly inspiring...which is not to say they couldn't be useful)

Yes, I took a look at some pages designed with that software, and thought they were pretty ordinary. Well, they don’t have Xara’s graphics tools.

[ODdOnLifeItself]

Hello James Allen

Yes...and also, when using software, it should help and inspire... Xara certainly does that. Many programs make it where you have to jump through hoops in order to accomplish anything. I found Serif's offering to be very counter-intuitive, but I don't want to rail on the program. I am sure that there are many people who CAN use it and enjoy doing so. Still, it just wasn't for me.

I would say that I'm first an artsy guy that secondarily, also needs web functions...not the other way around. That may be the single biggest factor in whether someone goes Xara or not (in terms of those that need web stuff).

When I want to feel especially good about Designer Pro 6, I Google Photoshop Tutorials and then go attempt a similar look in Xara. Most times, it has been far easier. I was reminded of something annoying about Photoshop when watching that posted Speed Drawing video in another thread. I don't know how many requestors popped up during that short video, but it was vertigo inducing.

My Sister-in-Law is an illustrator/designer for a major publishing firm here in Munich and when she sat with me and I showed her normal workflow in Designer Pro 6, she kept commenting about the real-time functioning of the tools and to how much easier complex things were with this software. Her last question, "how much does this cost?" Looks like I'll be tutoring...but I don't mind. It's a joy!

Peace

James

[James Allen]

That’s great James – another convert in the making. I’m sure she’ll love it.

I first began learning CorelDraw back in about ’91, followed by Photoshop and Illustrator, but when Xara came along, my work with Corel and Illy was reduced to saving or opening files for customers and printers, or for Corel’s extrude and curved text. In time that wasn’t needed either. Xara was like a speedboat zipping around the big oil tankers - too much fun to leave. I still use Photoshop for some airbrushing and liquify effects, but I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve had to say, “Thanks, but it was made in Xara, not Photoshop.”

I was reminded of something annoying about Photoshop when watching that posted Speed Drawing video in another thread. I don't know how many requestors popped up during that short video, but it was vertigo inducing.

I noticed that too. It had way too many steps, and was being played in fast motion too, so the normal speed version was pretty long. It’s that big oil tanker trying to turn around, with all the tugs helping out.

[pauland]

Manu, I'm glad you have persevered and here is a more constructive response than you have received so far.

I think what you are looking for is cushycms. You can find reference to it on talkgraphics or via google.

For the west your income is nothing remarkable, but I can understand that it could be a good income in some parts of the world. Any income that helps support people in the current economy is valuable and not to be mocked.

I don't really see your new development tools as a great improvement over Xara software and in some ways a "downgrade". It is usual practice for web developers to have a "pipeline" of tools to build websites, so using other tools for form development is not a big obstacle and indeed some would consider using seperate tools that specialise in differrent functions an asset. Xara is especially strong in design and fast development and deployment of small to medium static sites.

Xara software has always had a few issues with CMS integration (despite workarounds), so I guess your new toolset helps. There are a lot of good reasons not to have end-clients updating websites - it removes regular work and tends to create an expectation of free support when it goes wrong, so I hope you charge more when they require that facility. I would normally have said that your alternative toolset wouldn't be great at CMS integration, either, so you may have fun.

I don't see any reason why you can't use jQuery via placeholders with Xara (just as you can javascript), but I haven't tried.

Good luck with your journey, it won't ever end. Some people further along the road have forgotten their own journey. One persons newbie is another persons expert.

Paul

[handrawn]

Hi Manu

I've had a quick look at the threads you have started and the help you have received there.

It's always good when such help is appreciated and we get feedback, at least I think it is, so thank you for that

And I also wish you good luck - mostly the tools that survive in the marketplace are all good tools, and we each choose our own

[James Allen]

Manu,

I thought you were in England or America, so my comments had nothing to do with India, but if that is where you live, then that is all the more reason to stick with Xara, since it will give you a strong advantage over your competition. If newcomers here thought you were an old hand at Xara, they might have followed your advice about abandoning Xara for inferior alternatives.