How about lean version of Xtreme

[Soquili]

I would love to have Xtreme stripped of the Web and Live Effects.

The web features introduced a problem by retaining layers when pasting in place. Other issues may also exist but the layer issue has been mentioned by other members. Besides Web Designer has all the web features so why include them into the flagship vector application.

Live Effects cause files to become corrupt so they cannot be reopened. Many members have reported this type of problem.

[handrawn]

just so long as it includes soft groups VHQ and customisable keys it gets my vote..........

I can live without live effects too so long as I can make PS my bitmap editor.....

[MarkMyWords]

Never use those two things anyway, so I probably wouldn't notice. Isn't the button nav bar part of the web design toolset too? Personally speaking, 3D effects are something I wouldn't miss either, but I don't know if it has any detrimental effects.

[Soquili]

The button nav bar was depricated several versions back, so not missed by me.

[jclements]

I think you've got a good point, Bill.

WedDesigner has simplified things, but a hybrid between it and Xara, perhaps including the Blend, Freehand, and QuickShape tools, and not all the web publishing functions would be my vote.

In a corporate environment especially this, I think, would be ideal. Novice or infrequent users would have a great, value-priced app at hand they could easily use. High-end users with XPro could do more sophisticated editing/repurposing of their files as needed.

[MarkMyWords]

Sorry Bill. I'm still with Xtreme 4.01. I am looking for an excuse to upgrade and eventually will, but Xtreme 5 pro just doesn't have anything I feel I must have...yet.

[Seagull]

Hi Bill

Sounds like somebody is getting grumpy in their old age.......joke.......

Last year Jens g r benthien posted a thread a little bit like yours, and I was completely shocked by the ignorance of some of the replies.........a lot of flaming was in this thread for no reason at all. I really don't know how to link to it so I went in and found it and copied the address.....so it should take you there for a stroll down memory lane if you wish to revisit it. Basically, he was asking for custom installing which could be a bit of which you are demanding. Instead of installing everything, chose what you want.

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...tom+installing

However, a small point. A good workman has a lot of tools in his toolbox, most of which don't get used too often. But they are there for when he needs them. Like so many, I went and bought web designer when it was offered, switching be tween version 4 when necessary. Everything is now included in the same package so the main question is.......did I blow my money buying an unnecessary program. Leaving that alone for the moment, the formum "Dear Xara" would seem to go against you in this particular thread.
Maybe old Jens had the right solution.....customized installation.......anyway, have a happy........frank

P.S. I am very happy that so far everybody had shown enough respect for you that you are not getting flamed like poor old Jens.....I was writing a bit more about maybe the forum is more mature now, but no, I'll leave it like it is.........again, for a second time..........frank

[handrawn]

'ah yes I remember it well..'

dang me if I now don't get the photo tool when I accidentally double mouse [like it or not] - so much for progress

back on topic - the photo tool you can ditch for me too; its cute but photoshop elements gets used more [lot]

[Soquili]

Hi Frank,

Yes I am getting grumpy with age.

I'm sure the cold weather has as much to do with it as age, or at least the aches that accompany both.

The point about many tools is a good one. I have added many tools recently, but they are not made by Xara unfortunately.

[amoore]

I think the fundamental issue here is the way changes made to support web features affect the vector tools. Custom installation wouldn't resolve that.

I'm all for having a customizable interface. Custom installation, too, but I don't think either one is likely to turn off a web support "improvement" such as layer retention.