Designing a logo

[Big Frank]

Here we go again... people wanting to create logos, and people coming in to act disdainful.

You don't think it's disdainful to say "My mate's company wants a logo for free" ?

I think it would be far less disdainful to say "My mate's company wants a logo but I'm afraid he has a total budget of just $50. If anybody wants to put their effort into the hat we would be most grateful to see what you could come up with and after one month we will choose the one we like the most and that person will get the $50." $50 is not a lot, but it's the principle of 'consideration' (legal term, nothing to do with being nice to somebody) that matters.

This:

a) is respectful to those of us who make our living in design
b) gives a real chance to those beginners who want to have a go and an enormous buzz if they 'win'
c) gives at least some real value to the design
d) leaves everybody with a good feeling about the 'competition'
e) prevents posts like this

Yes, I think people can take advantage of people's generousity sometimes. But ultimately, if someone wants to help another member, then that is their prerogative.

Yup, and me objecting to it is my prerogative. I assume there's no rule that says I can't? Sorry if I sound cold and cynical but I have been around this 'Internet' thing since the era of the bbs and I am so very tired of people always asking for freebies.

[ankhor]

Sorry here's the JPEG for those who couldn't see it........opps

Hmm maybe an idear in the C you could do a key.
you know the old kind ones.O--X

[ankhor]

You don't think it's disdainful to say "My mate's company wants a logo for free" ?

I think it would be far less disdainful to say "My mate's company wants a logo but I'm afraid he has a total budget of just $50. If anybody wants to put their effort into the hat we would be most grateful to see what you could come up with and after one month we will choose the one we like the most and that person will get the $50." $50 is not a lot, but it's the principle of 'consideration' (legal term, nothing to do with being nice to somebody) that matters.

This:

a) is respectful to those of us who make our living in design

Well, I work in construction and I could get mad of people
who help their friends installing things that are part of my job.
I won`t, I know that it is part of the deal in this world.

b) gives a real chance to those beginners who want to have a go and an enormous buzz if they 'win'

I am not much of a competition man, I just like to play.

c) gives at least some real value to the design

pride in a job isn`t enough any more?
Well, it isn`t, I know, even if they get payed for it, a lot
of my co-workers have none what so ever, unfortunately.
Neither do the bosses, it`s more about profits, not a job wel done.

d) leaves everybody with a good feeling about the 'competition'

Neah, I couldn't care less.

e) prevents posts like this

Oh maybe in this forum, but on the newsgroup on internet
the same treatment befalls upon such competitions.

Yup, and me objecting to it is my prerogative. I assume there's no rule that says I can't? Sorry if I sound cold and cynical but I have been around this 'Internet' thing since the era of the bbs and I am so very tired of people always asking for freebies.

I am a free bee, and I like to stay as such.
I am tired of the money talk all the time.
But I know that is the way the world is constructed right now.
I want more free bee's, before the hive swallows us.
(and most won`t know what I mean here. It`s a symbolism thing.
that is on lot of buildings in my city and in B2B.
beehive=industry, winged wheel = transport, caduceus=trade)
Just look around you how much this symbolism is used.

[ankhor]

Well here's another attempt.

The "we pack your junk" came to me as a rhyme don't get offended

Delete it and replace with your slogan or whatever couldn't resist it

I made it the way so it looks like a box (that stores stuff).

I liked it very much , the idear that you can turn it around and it would still
say act (or "pact'" if you played around with the letters, but they aren`t
otherwise they didn`t need a freebee. )

But the turn around somehow don`t work well, I tried to do it but
somehow it just won`t do it.
But still I like it.

Something like this (pact thing)

[Availor]

Thanks ankhor. Meanwhile I don't see our guy around to check on the work we've done for him.... maybe he doesn't need it after all.

[pauland]

The mindscape design is pretty darn good.

I understand where Big Frank is coming from. I think the OP has good intentions and from time to time we all like to help out our friends. I think what's riling Frank (and me, a little) is that the OPs friend is using this in a business situation where he is making money from his friends (and indeed this forums) goodwill. I guess the money he'll save will be going into his own pocket rather than that of anyone else. Hopefully the OP will at the very minimum get a crate of beer out of it.

Recently (I'm not a 'real' designer) I offered to design a logo for someone (not a friend) and after some exchanges and variants, it was sold (for about $200). That made me feel good and the buyer was also pleased. In other circumstances I have designed Logos as part of a website package, but they've been included with the (payable) whole. I've only ever done logo work for free twice. Once for a school and once for a friend of mine that has helped find me web work and is just starting out in a small venture.

Really, for me the rule is simple: if you have money to run a substantial business, you have money to pay for a logo. If you don't you're freeballing at someone else's expense.

Paul

[ankhor]

Thanks ankhor. Meanwhile I don't see our guy around to check on the work we've done for him.... maybe he doesn't need it after all.

Yeah, That is what we call 'rude'.
Well I am a "rude boy" (ska) so I can`t say much about that
because, well.......

But it would be nice if you get some comments/feedback, but still,
it gave me something to do anyhows.

And I am home with a busted back, so the most I can do is sit most
of the time, heavily sedated by some drugs to kill the pain.
So mostly anything done by me now is because of
sex and drugs and rock and roll(ian dury)
(well forget the sex part too right now )

[ankhor]

Really, for me the rule is simple: if you have money to run a substantial business, you have money to pay for a logo. If you don't you're freeballing at someone else's expense.

Paul

Yeah, but to be honest, he only asked for inspiration.

he didn`t say, "make me a logo for free".

I made a logo, and technically, I still own the copyright on it.
No arrangement or agreement was made. I just showed a logo.
But if he uses it as an inspiration for his work, he is keeping
to what he asked for, just some inspiration.

He gave me some inspiration, and at a time I was bored out of my pants
because normally I work construction so I am very busy running
around etc. now I have to sit down and take it easy.
Which for me, is very, well, boring.

(So any more idears are very welcome.)

(oh yeah, he might have asked in the linux section, they get their program for free
so they are in the freebee world, so they might understand the freebee rules.
14all41.)

[pauland]

Yeah, but to be honest, he only asked for inspiration.

he didn`t say, "make me a logo for free".

I think the beef is with his friend, not the OP!

Paul

[ankhor]

I think the beef is with his friend, not the OP!
Paul

Okay, thanks for clearing that, I don`t know anything about the company
and the internet doesn`t say much unless the company is in australia.