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    Hi Folks , new here and looking for some opinions . I'm looking to purchase a all vector program shortly and have been trying to figure out which is best for me. I've downloaded XaraX free trial and like it alot better than the other 2 I downloaded (Illustrator & FreehandMX). And i've now came across DrawPlus7 which seems pretty comparible to Xara
    But I'd like some input from ppl who have used Draw Plus7. First off and my main feature I'm looking at, are the gradients on par with Xara? And how about just general quirks of the program? Any odd thing that bugs you about it? something it lacks compared to Xara? Better in Xara in ways? I'm just looking for any opinions you could share about using both and your experience with them? Thanks for reading http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    Hi Folks , new here and looking for some opinions . I'm looking to purchase a all vector program shortly and have been trying to figure out which is best for me. I've downloaded XaraX free trial and like it alot better than the other 2 I downloaded (Illustrator & FreehandMX). And i've now came across DrawPlus7 which seems pretty comparible to Xara
    But I'd like some input from ppl who have used Draw Plus7. First off and my main feature I'm looking at, are the gradients on par with Xara? And how about just general quirks of the program? Any odd thing that bugs you about it? something it lacks compared to Xara? Better in Xara in ways? I'm just looking for any opinions you could share about using both and your experience with them? Thanks for reading http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    Richard (aka RamWolf) uses both products and can answer your question. I'll see if I can give him a heads up.

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    and Welcome to the XaraX TG forums! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

    I WAS an avid user of DrawPlus 7 at one point in time! I went so far as to almost stop using XaraX while I was learning it so I was not too distracted.

    There is one other program that I will mention here before I get into this dissertation.....

    Have you tried out RealDraw-Pro?? I would say this is NOT a TRUE vector program but it's VERY nice to play with and has some spectacular lighting effects (which are quickly becoming an industry standard (bump maps to)) You can download a free trial from here:

    http://www.mediachance.com/realdraw/index.html (information page)
    http://www.mediachance.com/download.htm (MediaChance Download page, scroll down and download Real-Draw 3.1 file)

    Now on to the comparisons:

    XaraX GOOD stuff:
    A Fast and Efficient program. Good handling of Vectors and Fills handling is great too!! Text handling is very good too. Good exportation filtering. Great usage of envelopes (no issue with artifacts when moving the shape around to ANY position). Bevel tool can not be beat (IMHO) and the drop shadow tool is just fantastic. You CAN create a glow efffect with this tool as well by dragging and dropping a new color into the shadow color (it will replace the black color, which is default, BTW). Shadows are detachable, which is a real nice extra!! Transparencies are just fantastic as well. Multitudes of options under this area. Love the Cloud and Plazma Fractal Transparencies, really great!! Feathering tool is one of the best out there as well!! Freehand tool is useful and pretty easy to work with and under that same area is the Brush tool giving you many different effects, all controllable with line width's and line shapes. I really like the Arrange/Combine Shapes/Slice(cut)Shapes operation. The objects outlines are used to cut out what ever you want but does NOT subtract the cut shape, it leaves it in tact so you can use it for something else, really wonderful handling there!! Some programs handle this differently and the results are not always good, Xara has this one in the bag!! Blend too is really good too. I don't use the Contour tool so I can't comment. The Button and Nav Bar area was very confusing to me, so I don't use that either. And finally, there are many downloadable brushes from here at TG to add in to the program as needed!!
    XaraX BAD stuff:
    NO bump maps and NO 3D lighting. Galleries are not dockable, which I really would like that option!! Vector tools could use a little improving upon. Better brush handling and added tools like an eraser would be good (some systems crash when using the brush tool!! My old system did that!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif ). Button and Nav tool bar could be a bit more user friendly. More Quick Shapes too!! Import and Export filters are BADLY in need of an over all improving upon!! One of the worst things about Xara Ltd. is they have not updated XaraX in quite some time (going on 3 years now, I think) and no interaction with the client base here at TG. Support is not one of their strong areas, nor is their sales area. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Other than that XaraX is a winner in my book!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

    DrawPlus7 GOOD stuff:
    Similar to CorelDraw, NOT XaraX. Most of the tools that XaraX has but set up differently (if your going to compare it to XaraX, that is.... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ) I like that you have dockable galleries (extensions of the tool bars, more or less). LOTS of quick shapes and neat pre existing color and transparency swatches that you can drag and drop onto any object. 3D Lighting and Bump Maps galore!! I think the best handling of vectors (sorry Xara Ltd. but DrawPlus 7 DOES have some really fantastic tools for handling vectors!). Once you create a new shape the click on the Node tool icon and up pops the 'Curve Toolbar' and you have a set of tools that XaraX can not beat (YET!) http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Also, once you create an effect you really like and want it available for other objects then got to the Effects Gallery and under "My Effects" drag the entire object over to it and drop it, you will be presented with a name dialog and then presto chango, in goes the effect. This applies to any and all Filter Effects and any combination of them together. AND one other thing is that Serif's DrawPlus 7, along with all the other products they have, are all updated at LEAST once a year and release patches as needed and they DO listen to the user base and actually interact with them on the forums. Not on a daily basis but they are there watching and have input at least a few times a week!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
    DrawPlus 7 BAD stuff
    While DrawPlus 7 had a plethora of cool tools that XaraX does not have it's missing a very important feature that XaraX has everyone beaten in, speed!! I worked on a 'Fantasy Castle' project for a couple of months and ended up trashing it. Why?? The heavier the file the worse it was to work on and move the separate objects about. Just to move an object was painful. Wait, wait, wait some more and then the program would be ready to move it. NOT GOOD!! Even using the 'layers' manager did not clear this up very well. I called it a "sticky problem". No detachable shadow tool and the Filter Effects are how the program achieves the bevels and what not. So it can not detach anything. In XaraX you can detach just about any filter that you apply. It is either vectorized and ungrouped or bitmapped and ungroupable. This is not the case in DrawPlus 7, and for me very limiting to what I can and can not do in DrawPlus 7. I also can not stand the organization of the Gradient Transparency gallery. There is something NOT QUITE right about it. Also, while there are many options using the transparencies, the "fractal" transparencies are just plain ugly!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif Plus for the novice the Filter Effects dialogs can be a bit daunting. They DO give you absolute control but for a newbie each area of the Filter Effects is a new challenge to get to know all the controls. As I said this program is really geared more after the Adobe/Corel softwares. Import and Export filters are BADLY in need of an over all improving upon!!

    I think that's about it.

    For some of the best 3D lighting effects and bump maps out there RealDraw-Pro is the way to go!! Vector tools needs work BIG TIME and the program, only being at it's 3rd release is still in it's infancy. Don't let XaraX fool you, it's been around for a long time!! I'm not quite sure but I think Gary could tell you, it's had about 5 or 6 releases total, including the 2 under the Corel banner. I would keep an eye out on RealDraw-Pro, it's going places but with only ONE man running the show (no lie) (his name is Oscar) it takes time to get things just right.

    So there you have it. I know I'm biases but just ask any one around here. I am the man that loves to play around with all these programs. I go away and come back and write these home spun reviews and I STILL come back to XaraX in the long run but for my post work that may need a little extra light here and there I export the finished image and import it into RealDraw-Pro for some 3D lights and maybe a bump map. XaraX can not do it all, YET! But there IS talk about a new release, but GOD ONLY KNOW'S when that will be!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

    Have fun and if you have any further questions then just ask! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    Very easy to follow and good comparisons.

    If I remember correctly, I read swomewhere Oscar did hire a person or two in Europe to help him out.

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    Hi Richard,

    A fantastic thorough review. Absolutely excellent.

    Regards..

    Bayan

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    Aside from the rambling here and there and the typo's (which I can't fix now! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif ) yea, it's an OK comparison review I threw together.

    Yea, I forgot about Oscar hiring a couple more folks to help out but if I remember correctly they are more involved with sales and upkeep of the site. I think Oscar is still the only guy doing the coding on the programs!! Not all together sure though.

    I hope this 'racer' guy comes and reads this, considering it's for him/her/who ever!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

    Thanks again for the kudoos!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAMWolff:
    Aside from the rambling here and there and the typo's (which I can't fix now! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif ) yea, it's an OK comparison review I threw together.

    Yea, I forgot about Oscar hiring a couple more folks to help out but if I remember correctly they are more involved with sales and upkeep of the site. I think Oscar is still the only guy doing the coding on the programs!! Not all together sure though.

    I hope this 'racer' guy comes and reads this, considering it's for him/her/who ever!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

    Thanks again for the kudoos!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    Richard, thank you very much for that review. That was exactly the information I was looking for. I wish all reviews of programs were written so well.

    I've been messing around with Xara X now for about a week on the trial version, and it is a great program but does have a couple very minor things that bug me. I can live with those, but I would love to see a updated version here soon. Guess I'll just cross my fingers on that one. I also downloaded that Real Draw Pro program and it's not too bad however after installing it and I logged off computer and then booted back up it caused a error not allowing windows to load right. So i've since stopped using it.

    Thanks again for all that time you put into writing that up.

    -Greg

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    Great Review there Ramwolf.
    I had not heard of Draw Plus 7 before but after your review I think I will stick with Xara X. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
    I have Real Draw Pro and it is nice program but I hardly ever use it. It has some nice features but very difficult to draw anything in that program.


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RacerX30:
    Richard, thank you very much for that review. That was exactly the information I was looking for. I wish all reviews of programs were written so well.

    I've been messing around with Xara X now for about a week on the trial version, and it is a great program but does have a couple very minor things that bug me. I can live with those, but I would love to see a updated version here soon. Guess I'll just cross my fingers on that one. I also downloaded that Real Draw Pro program and it's not too bad however after installing it and I logged off computer and then booted back up it caused a error not allowing windows to load right. So i've since stopped using it.

    Thanks again for all that time you put into writing that up.

    -Greg<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Wow, that's really really strange. I can't believe that RealDraw-Pro could do that?? http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Didn't have that issue on Win98SE, Win2000 Pro (SP 1, 2 or 3) or WinXP Pro (SP1).

    Maybe try again??

    The WORD is that there is TALK about a new version of XaraX after the next release of Webster 4 comes out. So add another 6 months to a year on to that date and HOPEFULLY we will have our new version of Xara!!

    Then again................ http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

    Gotta keep the faith though!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

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