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Yes, I can see that Bill has already generated an upside-down question mark by re-referencing the original question mark.
They're more or less "clones" Frances, of the originals that accents can be added to. Ensures character consistency and brings down the saved file size.
Here's two things that might or might not need to be corrected: First, it might be my imagination, but the upper cases look to be a tad heavier than the lower cases.
And (I was doing font kerning when I saw this): does anyone feel that lower case "z" has a transverse stroke that's artistically incompatible with the transverse angles of the other lowercase characters? And is it too wide compared to the other lower case letters?
You sometimes see this stuff when working with pangram sentences to work on kerning.
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Might just be me...
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Looks like the lowercase z could simply be rotated around instead of actually reworking it. Maybe squished a bit horizontally after rotating it if needed.
Yep, the main vertical stroke of the L needs narrowed.
Mike
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Okay, if the uppercase width is a problem, I got a real simple solution. I can batch shrink all the uppercase in FontLab by perhaps 1% and that will probably get all the uppercase "thinner" without much fuss and without making them significantly shorter.
I'm bringing this up so no one has to do any apologizing for the typeface later.
No excuses, right?
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Bill—
If you want me to do this, cool.
But if you'd like to shake the cobwebs off FontLab:
1. You Shift+select all the uppercase glyphs.
2. Tools>Transform Range.
Transform works, too, but there is a preview option in Transform Range.
3. In the Transform dialog, Contour>Scale. Click it to the right column to select it.
4. Click the blue highlighted entry at right (this part makes no UI sense!), to get the Current Action fields to show.
5. Click Proportional Scale and then it's anyone's guess how thinner the capital letters need to be. 1%? Will any member measure precisely for this, please?
6. Click the Preview Panel basically to make you feel better through faux reassurance, and then click Run the program, but let it do a quick save before continuing.
This will yield smaller fonts the were selected, but the sidebearings and baseline will have remained constant. No need to worry about that.
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Thanks for the steps Gary. I will give it a try.
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I have a question! Well actually it is more like four questions. :)
Please look at the attached image and tell me if the copyright symbol should be larger or smaller and if it should be positioned higher or lower within it's area.
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I feel like it should be lower.
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Hello Bill,
It should be the same height from the baseline as the TM symbol. That said, I have seen a font that had both the (c) and TM symbols at the baseline and it looks nice. Nice enough I have lowered them for certain applications.
Take care, Mike
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Thanks Larry and Mike. The © is the same height as an uppercase letter in many fonts and aligned to the baseline and centrally within the font area. However it looked interesting at the size shown in my previous post. Being a collaborative effort we should get a concensus of all the participants.
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4 questions...1 answer ...Bill, it looks good in your post #87.
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Thanks Fred. I believe that Frances, Christine, Michele, Barbara and Gary still need to weigh in on this.
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I'd say the same as Mike level with the TM symbol.
Christine
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Hi everyone, sorry if it seems I have abandoned you all here in the typography area, I've been busy with real life chores :) I agree with Mike and Christine on the copyright symbol. The rest of the font is shaping up nicely. So are there any more glyphs you need created Bill?
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Hi Frances, no more glyphs are needed. FontLab does a lot of the work when it come to creating the glyphs with the umlauts, and other accents. Once the character glyphs are created and then the modifier character then when you double click the accented character FontLab assembles the two components together for you.
I've got a few programming steps to complete and a couple of glyphs to add then I will send the vfb file to Gary to make sure I haven't missed anything.
The attachment is too small at 800 pixels wide to see much detail but things are looking good so far.
I have Frank's alternate glyphs and your And, dotCom, The, etc added as well Frances. I will make a location template with the Alt+xxxx code to access the additional characters.
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I'm slowly getting my life back (writing another book that won't sell any copies because Print is Dead)—Bill, if you'd make a copy available (probably my private email is best), I will comb over it and try to fix any errors I'm aware of.
My Best,
Gary
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Hi Bill, to answer this question I had to do a search to make sure. The 'copyright symbol' is mostly on the baseline.
I found some tips if this is helpful - For copyright symbols that rest on the baseline, try matching the size to the x-height of the font.
For copyright symbols that are superscripted, reduce their size to about 55–60% of your text size. (raised slightly and reduced in size).
™ © ®. In some browsers some of these copyright symbols may not appear correctly depending on the fonts installed.
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Gary I am a bibliophile and hope that Print will never die. When I finish adding the last touches I know to do I'll email the file to you.
Michele thanks for the information. I was looking for personal preference in this particular font because we can be creative and have it "our way". :)
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Bill—
Sorry. I thought a bibliophile was someone who reads The Bible a lot.
Ba-dah bump.
Seriously, I'll check out what you got whenever, send to my private email that takes attachments, and you'd be preaching to the choir about books. Without counting revised editions, I've written 26 in the past 20 years, and in the past 10 years, the sales have been dropping progressively.
Which means I'm getting worse at it (I don't think so), or people are turning the eBooks and the web for alternative media for learning.
Okay, perhaps not actual learning; more like "show me the steps I need to know right now, and leave out the theory and related topics."
Happily, the only time I don't use typefaces is when I'm talking to my mom over the telephone.
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From a font user's point of view, I usually prefer the default size and placement of the copyright symbol to be at baseline and cap height, because that is how I'd set it most of the time in the standard phrase:
Copyright © 2012 Me and You
But this typeface has a different baseline for upper and lower case letters, so I think it should be sized and placed so it lines up on the baseline with the numbers that should follow the symbol and the fairly long string of lower case letters that often precede it.
But the numbers in this typeface are irregular in size and baseline too.
So I vote for the symbol to be sized and placed like the number 6. This would also place it on the same baseline as the lowercase t. I think this would look the best in the visual phrase highlighted in red.
Copyright © 2012 Me and You
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I like what Barbra has to say as the symbol. I don't type that much, so it's good to hear from someone who does.
It has to look visually pleasing to the eye, so people would be more likely to use it. :)
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Thanks Barbara, Michele, and Frances.
I made the © and ® the same size as the 6 and lower case letters. I emailed the .vfb file to Gary a few moments ago.
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Sounds like we are getting close to having a second font under our belts! :D Thanks to everyone who has taken part!
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Now would be a good time to do the paperwork. This font will need the permissions, the fontlog.txt, the OFL./txt OFL-FAQ.txt the pdf, and examples just as the Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG did. So I suggest that you take the Burgeon release package and basically search and replace, remembering to change the font name and the contributor and thanks sections.
Remember to always add TG to the end of the font name, in the font and in the documentation and in threads. It is part of the name, it is our brand and helps reinforce that this is a product of our group here at TG. Over time I believe folks will see the TG at the end of a font name and know immediately that it is a high quality, professionally done font.
When you look at the pdf, please note that it has quite a lot of metadata in it and the new font's pdf needs similar data added.
It might make a good habit for us to get into, that when we submit to a group project for the first time we also submit a contributor's release for that specific font or project. I believe that submitting the releases in public, into the thread is valuable, because it clears up forever (or as long as the forum bits keep spinning) that the font is 100% in the clear license wise; but I do understand that some may not want to have their full name out in public. For those folks, I suggest that they submit in public under their screen name ie and first name ie Barbara B ( Barbara) or Angelize (Frances) and then send one with your full name to the project leader and to me.
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Barbara how do I see the meta data in a pdf file? Better yet, how do I create meta data in a pdf file? I don't create pdf files often and have never thought about them having meta data.
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Re: TG font collaboration #2 Roundhead
I, Bill Taylor as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Bill Taylor, United States of America
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Originally Posted by
Soquili
Barbara how do I see the meta data in a pdf file? Better yet, how do I create meta data in a pdf file? I don't create pdf files often and have never thought about them having meta data.
Bill, in Xara, when you export PDF, go to the Document tab, enable "Include Document Information", and then fill in the blanks.
You can see the metadata in a PDF file, in Acrobat Reader, by choosing File>Properties>(Description).
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Ok so Bill are you doing a PDF keyguide for the extra glyphs? or do we need a volunteer? (a volunteer would need a copy of the font file) I think we should use the burgeon PDF as a template for this and all future key guides.
I, Frances Proctor as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Frances Proctor, Canada
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Frances I have started a .xar file that will eventually be a pdf key locator. I've been a bit under the weather for a few days so I have not got much done.
I agree about using the Burgeon key locator as a template. Which is what I am using.
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I'll volunteer to do the PDF, Frances.
The key layout and the number of characters is entirely different than for Burgeon. But I can np and tuck the thing, and put all the metadata in it.
Bill, I await your vfb file!
My Best,
Gary
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Thanks Gary, I sent the vfb file to your personal email. Let me know if I need to zip the file as I attached the vfb directly to the email.
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For everyone's information:
In the Celebrated Burgeon Ornamental TG font there are 60 glyphs. In the Round Head TG font there are 216 glyphs.
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Ok Bill and Gary I'll let you two work out the pdf and the rest of the font building. when I suggested using the burgeon pdf as a guide I was thinking mostly of the headings and basic layout, I realized that there would be way more glyphs for this font :)
Will you be posting a "beta" version of the font before we put together the final download file? If so I would like to keep it to a bare minimum (In the burgeon thread I had to go back through the thread twice to remove all the links to un finalized versions at the end)
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Hi—
Fonts in TTF and OTF in one zip archive, the PDF sorta hangs out here by its lonesome.
Now here's a neat tip you might want to share: the keyfinder isn't just a fancy lookup table: in Acrobat Reader or Pro, you can highlight and copy a glyph out of the PDF page, and if you have the typeface installed, all you do is paste.
My Best,
Gary
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Great :) I'll have a look and kick the tires!
We will need the change log.txt file, Bill or Gary could one of you do that? I have copies of the OFL and FAQ that I just need to plug the info into.
And we still need releases from anyone who participated! please post them here in this thread, just scroll back to a release that has already been posted and copy and paste and replace the names and country with your own. And remember if you are uncomfortable with your full name being on the forum you can post one here with your screen name and PM one with your full name to either myself or Barbara.
Thanks to all who participated in this project!
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I can't help with the FAQ; Bill, would you mind terribly modifying the Burgeon one for this package?
@Frances: Barbara wants to review the package before you go live with it. Also, she agrees that the keyfinder you can copy out of is a big selling point. You going to do another video?
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I had a quick look and play with the font looks really good!
I was thinking about doing a video, I just haven't decided on a project yet :) I have a couple of ideas. The last one has had over 100 views already so that is encouraging :)
Also do we need to have all releases in before we can officially release the font?
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I, Gary David Bouton, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, RoundHeadtg.otf and RoundHeadtg.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Gary David Bouton, USA