Ok.. hotshots... draw this one in Xara. This was posed in CD Mag many years ago. Looks easy, until you try. But like the knot, once you get it, it is easy.
Glenn
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Ok.. hotshots... draw this one in Xara. This was posed in CD Mag many years ago. Looks easy, until you try. But like the knot, once you get it, it is easy.
Glenn
Ok.. hotshots... draw this one in Xara. This was posed in CD Mag many years ago. Looks easy, until you try. But like the knot, once you get it, it is easy.
Glenn
No sweat for xara. Took several minutes - but then I'm slow.
Regards, Ross
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Now that I can see both of them together I can see mine doesn't look exactly the same. Still, with a bit more care to have made them the same wouldn't have been too hard. I made mine by subtracting shapes from a circle and then using the bevel tool.
Regards, Ross
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I gave it a try and came up with this.
Joan
Here's another try. It's not too difficult.
Joan
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Draw the X and circle, center them, join them, copy to clipboard, bevel them, paste from clipboard, widen the line thickness, covert line to outline, give it a fill and some feathering.
Here's a hyperfunky version using xara's powerful contour tool to generate the swirling colours.
Regards, Ross
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Hi Glen, the shape reminded me of a Medicine Wheel. Didn't take the time to make it look like quill work.
A Medicine Wheel is usually made from a piece of leather and wrapped with dyed porcupine quills, or dyed animal hair.
The colors used will vary from Nation to Nation.
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Well, I'm almost embarrassed by the easy way you all have met that (simple) challenge. It seems Xara can make certain tasks so simple. All the work is excellent.
When that originally appeared there wasn't the ability to do all you can do today. You guys are amazing.
Glenn
Yes creating them is relatively easy in Xara. I wonder - is it as easy using xara's competition? Perhaps if anyone is familiar with the "other" illustration programs, they could comment.
Regards, Ross
PS - I suspect it would still be difficult in a true CAD program.
This was done with "Rhino". Time it took was about as quick as one can use the mouse to draw two perpendicular lines and a circle and then make a selection from a menu to apply a pipe solid.
Rhino is by Robert McNeel and Assoc., Seattle, Washington. http://www.rhino3d.com
The free demo version is pretty good and doesn't take long to download. Comes with a few project-based tutorials. The Rhino 1.1 is a relatively inexpensive for a 3-D program ... approx. $800.
Ross,
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PS - I suspect it would still be difficult in a true CAD program.
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No. It's simple. See below. And click here animated knot AVI format
it's about 1.6 megs and shows how a mercury knot builds up and spins around.
OK, you really have to be extremely good, but did you expect anything else from a forum member? :-)
Enjoy,
jens
Beautiful Knot Jens!
When I refered to CAD programs I was thinking about 2D CAD. Xara is afterall a 2D illustration program. Certainly 3D modelling programs can meet Glenn's challenge with ease but try doing the same in a 2D Cad.
Regards, Ross
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The only trick I can see is spacing the center quarter sections to the center posts are thinner.
I just recreated the shape and used the Contour Tool.
Gary
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Ross,
You mind enlightening all of us simple-minded folk on how you used the contour tool to come up with those funky colors?
joroho
Another approach.
Gary
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Joroho - Yes the contour tool can create some interesting effects. I think we can all agree that when Xara Ltd. created the tool, such effects probably weren't on their mind. Jonathan Payne discovered that hidden in the straightforward tool were some interesting capabilities. See the thread Enter the Void - Experiments in Contouring to see examples and learn more. Also see Gallery seemed too quiet... for a couple animated gifs made using the technique and Pretty Poison for some other neat examples.
The technique involves giving a shape a multicoloured linear fill and a transparency. You then contour it (inside) with many steps. The magic happens when you Ctrl-select the original shape from within the contour and edit its fill and/or its transparency. Each edit results in modifications to all the contour steps. It is of course necessary to have a very high level of transparency. With many transparent contours one atop the other the effect is generated. It is a lot of fun to play with and exciting because it is hard to know what to anticipate.
For the funky example above I added a feathered white shape above as a highlight. The colours are a result from the contouring fun.
Hope this encourages you to try it. If you do - here's a good tip: Start with a multicoloured linear fill that has some tight colour changes (drag colours from the colour bar onto a linear fill's editing arrow). That fill can later be changed to conical, circular, or elliptical and still keep all the colours. The tight colour changes work wonders in the contour.
Regards, Ross
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The original image reminded me of a depth image used to make a stereogram in which white comes forward the most and black recedes the most. And so as stereograms are what I do for recreation...
Gary
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I had fun playing with it my way. Between an alt rainbow fill, contour, bevel, and transparency, I finally came up with this. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
Joan
Hey Joan You've got it! That looks great. And it's good to hear you had fun.
Regards, Ross
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I haven't seen a stereogram for ages! I loved it. Took me a few moments, but when it came into focus it was great!
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Big Frank, that was Gary's stereogram BTW, and yes - I like 'em too.... errrr the stereograms [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I've tried to do a couple, just can't get it though.
Wayne
hmmm?
Ross,
basically there is no difference between 3D, 2D, vector etc for your design - it depends only on how a designer perceives his environment. All an excellent designer needs is a good eye and a fast, short communication line to the hand(s) that either draw his visions on a piece of paper with appropriate tools or illustrates them using a software.
And then he needs a goal, a rock solid concept and the know how, the concentration and stamina to push through.
I am convinced I could develop the knot with X as well - if I had the time. It would be lots of work because of the many shadows, highlights etc.
But after all - it's of no importance if you use application A or B or C - the result is what really counts.
Well, to be honest, X is the best 2D, vector and illustration tool that is currently available, because it is so intuitive, fast and precise. For this reason, I never used CorelDraw or Freehand again.
And believe it or not, I develop most of my shapes for CAD, product design etc in XARA, then export the files in *.ai formats to import them into my CAD/3D system for further modification and modeling.
XARA is just the best combination of a drawing pad with a pencil and the digital world, so why not give it a try with the knot in 2D? Give me some 48 hour days to get my job done, and I will do it in X as well :-) - or maybe I dust off my airbrush and give it a try with the traditional tools <big grin>
jens