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TG font collaboration #2 Roundhead
I didn't want to seem as though I'm dissing Frances' idea without putting up something that's a possibility.
These two are from the Linotype Specimen book, they are an incomplete set, and I volunteer (unless someone else wants to, also) to design the missing characters. There are enough glyphs here to give an artist the "design sense" of the fonts.
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Thoughts?
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Re: Morning Glory and Roundhead. Possibilities?
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Here's my take on the borders.
The first of those fonts looks interesting not sure about the second one.
Christine
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Gare
These two are from the Linotype Specimen book, they are an incomplete set, and I volunteer (unless someone else wants to, also) to design the missing characters. There are enough glyphs here to give an artist the "design sense" of the fonts.
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I would be interested in helping. Anything in particular you need me to do or just have at it,
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I think it would get us closer to our goal if you took a look at one or both of the specimens and tried to figure out what some of the missing characters should look like, Larry.
Or else that's work I'd have to do by myself, and I'm not even a Moderator on this forum!
Tell you what: perhaps I should take the Burgeon typefaces through to the completion, and then let the real Moderators on this forum initiate a second typeface. What do you say to that? I'm open and I love working with type, but I also have the Xone to tend to, you know?
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These are the missing letters as far as I can see - but I am a bit confused by the fact that there appears to be 2 different typoes of capital E.
JKNQUVWXYZ bdfhjkpqtuvyz
I am happy to do any of them.
Christine
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Re: Morning Glory and Roundhead. Possibilities?
OK Gare, I'll work on the examples you posted and design the missing characters. Will you or Bill then turn them into a font?
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I'd say the two of you—Larry, Christine—decide who is going to do which so there's no waste of effort.
@Larry: The goal, yes, would to be to make a typeface from all the characters.
@ Christine, I'd do both characters. We (Bill and I) could assign a slot for an alternative character.
Here's a Xara file with all the characters the book made available. Now, for example, we're missing a "z". Play the archeologist, and see if the "s" provides clues as to what the "z" should look like, and so on.
Outa time today! Be back tomorrow!
Gary
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I opened your file to look at it and managed to blow up XDP7!. I was looking at each layer by clicking the "S" and XDP7 died when I clicked on the Isometric grid layer. The programme sent the error to Xara.
By the way I did like the borders.
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Christine Farrelly
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Here's my take on the borders.
The first of those fonts looks interesting not sure about the second one.
Christine
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I'm not sure which file crashed Xara for you, Grace. If it's the above Pages from Linotype...Xar. But I did open in and unhide the layers and stuff without snuffing the program.
If you want a clean copy of this with no layers, download the one I attached several posts ago.
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Christine's file blows up XDP if one clicks on the Isometric layer, changing its viewable status, trying to lock or unlock it. Download the attachment shown in the post directly above yours.
I copied the elements to a new file and it doesn't explode XDP anymore.
Take care, Mike
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Not sure where that layer came from. I dont think I added it or at least not intentionally.
Larry - do you want to do all the missing letters or shall we split them into Caps and Lower case?
Christine
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Christine a lucky accident as it turns out. I notified Xara and they have identified the cause of the internal error. They have corrected the problem and it will not be in newer version. If a patch is made availabe for DP7 this fix will be included.
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Christine Farrelly
Not sure where that layer came from. I dont think I added it or at least not intentionally.
Larry - do you want to do all the missing letters or shall we split them into Caps and Lower case?
Christine
I plan on doing all of them plus the numbers and other characters.
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wizard509
I plan on doing all of them plus the numbers and other characters.
Larry, let's share, okay? :)
Christine and you both have pulled very accurate and artistic traces with the Burgeon set. I'd like to see more of this collaboration.
Okay?
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Gare, Christine wants to do the Roundhead font so I am taking Morning Glory. Sharing is fine with me, I was just trying to answer Christine's question and in the process I thought I should trace all the characters and add the missing ones as well. Is that OK?
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I think Christine should head up the Roundhead Font Initiative, right here. Christine?
I know she's a Mod on a different thread, but she's expressed interest and here's the opportunity for Mods to actually do supervisor work instead of posting "Good Idea!", and trolling for spam 8 hours a day!
C'mon, this is what we all came here for—tg is a group, and we need to prove to other forums that we can successfully contribute to the web designers and artists at large by creating free, expertly crafted typefaces for the community.
So if you're reading this, post back, for Goodness' Sake.
My Best,
Gary, who isn't even supposed to be Moderating this thread.
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I will volunteer to help Christine with this font. Christine how many glyphs have you done so far? I love the fancy "and" (ampersand) this font has. we should do some punctuation as well such and perhaps copyright and trademark symbols?
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angelize
I will volunteer to help Christine with this font. We should do some punctuation as well such and perhaps copyright and trademark symbols?
Christine, how can I help?
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Sorry for any delay - time differences again - fortunately I am an early morning person 5 AM here.
Larry - I am happy if you want to do the other font.
Frances - I have already done some preliminary work on the Caps, Lower case and numbers and would be more than happy if you want to tackle the symbols.
Thanks Gare for your confidence.
Christine
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Ok I'll look at doing some of the symbols and punctuation maybe Larry and I can split them up? I'd like to do ! @ # & I'll do the copyright and Registered symbols as well and I'm going to do two extra glyphs perhaps Larry can you do the rest of the basic punctuation such as , : ; ' " ? and perhaps parentheses?
I am also wondering if we should add a British Pound, and euro symbol? opinions?
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I got carried away with this - heres what I've done so far. Comments - suggestions etc all welcome.
3 layers Caps, lower case and numbers.
Christine
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You have a terrific start, but again, creating a font is m ore than matching a design, original or traced.
You have to place control points where they are necessary, and don't put excess ones along a path.
Your lowercase "z"...
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But it is an outstanding set, Christine, and it's going to make a knockout typeface!
My Best,
Gary
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Ok here are some symbols and an exclamation mark. I'm back to the Bergeon for a bit but I'm willing to do a few more punctuation marks or symbols if need be and here is a thought how about a customized bullet for this font?
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We are an international group, so I think that euro, yen, pound sterling signs would be a nice addition. Cents, percents, french quote marks, asterisks, hash marks, degrees would be nice too if they are not already there. A true ampersand & and at @ would be nice.
It might be a hoot to do a .com like the and sign you did.
What you all think? We've got the registers don't we?
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I think that is an excellent idea Barbara.
My suggestion for an ampersand for the Roundhead font.
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I like the idea of the .com sign, I'll do that after I finish the last two Bergeon tiles. The ampersand that you did Bill looks great, are you volunteering? There is a comma in one of Gary's samples but the rest of the punctuation we will have to create ourselves.
What's left so far then is everything that Barbara mentioned plus dollar sign comma colon semi colon question mark apostrophe, quotation
Any volunteers for any of this? Larry mentioned that he was willing to help. Anyone else?
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Ok here is that .com sign :) Now we need the rest of the punctuation!
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Hi Angelize your dot com looks great! Everyone is doing a fabulous job too. I am willing to do the things Barbara asked for provided I'm not treading on anyone's toes! :D unless you have another idea of whats needed as you are further along now...
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think I might say with a degree of safety that Barbara is trying to encourage participation while at the same time mindful that she is not a Moderator on the typography forum, and neither am I.
Frances, you can Christine should micro-manage this Roundhead typeface, right? Let Michele know what you think you need, and that's that.
Carry on! :)
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Frances, you can Christine should micro-manage this Roundhead typeface, right?
Ok I am sure this a typo but I'm not sure if you meant " you and Christine..." or "you understand Christine..." either way I am fine and do understand.
I am just a little over enthusiastic sometimes :o
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Frances - I hate to say this but I would have to disagree with your choice for &, @ and # symbols. If this is to be a really usable font it would need to have more regular symbols.
Can we have other opinions please? Thats not to say that these couldn't be included in the extra characters of an OTF font.
Michele - perhaps you could have a go at the $,£ and euro symbols.
Christine
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Rather than having them as extra characters of an OTF which is not supported by Xara would be possible to map them to keyboard symbols that are usable in Xara programs?
Full support for open type fonts is something that has been asked for on the forums but I don't think we will be seeing it anytime soon, providing regular keyboard access, even if it has to be an Alt +numberpad code to these extra glyphs would be better IMO at least.
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That sounds fine - I'll look at doing the regular ones for these.
Christine
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Christine I'm doing the punctuation. Have it part way done.
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You guys are doing great, and I am thrilled that you are reaching for the stars to make this a usable and practical font.
I have some suggestions, and they are only suggestions since I am not doing any of the tracing or coding work myself :)!
I think that it would be really nice, if the font contained all the character's you'd need (or as many as possible) if you were using the MS US or English International Keyboard layout. I haven't done the research to know exactly what characters you'd have to do-- but this keyboard layout from the Wikipedia (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license.) could show the way. Also you might want to consider releasing an open type version and a tt (for Xara 3d users)
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Any extras you might see fit to make or have made that don't fit (Bill can let you all know) could be released as a companion, extra's typeface.
If this idea is approved by this workgroup here is a golden opportunity for any admirers or lurkers to jump in and let Frances and Christine know that you'd like to help doing the research on what additional characters would need to be created and ir help with creating them.
Cheers
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More character suggestions.
I also think that common typographic elements like em and en dashes, ellipsis. Maybe some nice bullets. Bill do you know if stuff like thin spaces, and non-breaking spaces and hypens is coded into an individual font?
And one of my favorite characters, that you may not be familiar with would be a fun addition - the interrobang, which is used to mark an exclamatory question.
The Wikipedia (Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License) says this about the interrobang
The interrobang is not a standard punctuation mark. Few modern typefaces or fonts include a glyph for the interrobang character. It is at Unicode code point U+203D ‽ interrobang (HTML: ‽).
The interrobang can be used in some word processors with the alt code ALT+8253 when working in a font that supports the interrobang, or using an operating system that performs font substitution.
Depending on the browser and which fonts the user has installed, some of these may or may not be displayed or may be substituted with a different font.
Those small p-like glyphs you are seeing in the boxes above actually are text that you can copy and paste into Xara or Word. Select the character and then scroll though your font choices to see what fonts you already have that support the interrobang. It is fun to see how the different font have styled this character.
In fact, I think that looking at how others have interpreted a character using this method could provide insight and inspiration when figuring out how to create the missing roundhand characters.
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I decided to break the open type font compatibility discussion into it's own thread so we can continue it there and this thread can continue to be used for discussing the Roundhead font collaboration.
Christine if there are more glyphs you need let me know. Is anyone doing the interrobang?
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Frances—
As you assign glyphs to be traced, you should probably ask a member to see how the characters go together. Example: the dotcom glyph you have is great. How does it read at the end of a word? Kerning is a post-production thing, but how the letterforms actually go together is virgin territory for this group. The Burgeon typeface was a ding set, and as such, the gylphs didn't need to relate to their neighbors when typed.
My Best,
Gary
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...you should probably ask a member to see how the characters go together....Gary
With this in mind, I opened the character set Christine provided here: http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...068#post439068
This may NOT be the final version, but quite few are not very accurate (too wide or narrow) and some are very wrong and the 'look' of several characters is off.. I know this font is called 'Roundhead', but I interpret the corners as very slightly rounded or almost sharp. Am I missing something?
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I'll take another look at the dot com symbol I did, and make some changes.