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After I create a design (logo) I am unable to locate the source code for my design, this is the same with banners. How do I get to the source code.
Also is it legal to sell these designs, I have ran across a couple of webpages that state any graphics designed with an Xara program then belong to Xara is this true.
Welcome to the forum.
I am at a bit of a loss to understand what is actually the issue with your first issue. Are you saying that (1) you created a design (a logo) and that (2) you cannot find where you saved it?
It should be somewhere on your hard drive if you saved it. I don't have PG&D, but it probably uses a file name ending with .xar so I would do a search in Windows for all files with that extension. So search for *.xar
Anything you create with an Xara product is legal to sell. Not copies of the application, but the files and or final output format of your designs are completely salable. Can you point to a site you have read such statements?
Take care, Mike
Hello JBruce, Welcome to Talkgraphics :)
Can you explain a bit more about what you are meaning by "source code" ?
I believe you are referring to the HTML language code. Xara products work differently then other traditional web authoring programs. Whether it is Designer Pro, Photo & Graphic Designer, or Web Designer; your page is a Xara graphics file containing fonts, vector elements and bitmap images. It does not become a web page until it is exported or published as a web page. There is no need to write any code. However, after it has been exported, it is a standard web page that can be edited in most HTML editors. But, it is just as easy to make the changes in the Xara graphics file and re-export it.
As far as artwork, graphics, edited photos, web pages, flash, etc. that you create...they are yours.
the "source" code is your "xar" fileQuote:
Originally Posted by Jbruce
not true - any original design you create using xara software belongs to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Jbruce
the xara software always belongs to xara - you only have a licence to use it
this is true in most countries where human beings use cutlery
if you have used xara clipart in your designs you cannot claim that they are your own
read the copyright statement included with your software
i doubt it - he says design (logo)Quote:
Originally Posted by graphicsfactory
Jbruce
Welcome to TalkGraphics
Please give us more specific details. And are you referring to a graphic design or a website design?
he said logo
He also said, banner.
if you use some of the example art in your drawings then you have possibly breached copyrightQuote:
I have ran across a couple of webpages that state any graphics designed with an Xara program then belong to Xara is this true.
there was [I think] a time when Xara reserved rights on drawings created with trial versions - not sure if this still applies
If so, it isn't / wouldn't have been a legally enforceable right. Certainly not in the US. If this was once stipulated, it would have been pretty silly nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by handrawn
Take care, Mike
which is graphic design, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by gwpriester
Yes, but one that can be designed in a drawing/design program or a web program. This is why I have not moved the thread.
Unless we hear back from the original poser of the question it will remain unresolved.
I have created a design for sale and the people who want to buy the design want me to send the source code so they can edit and use the design.
Your .xar file is the source file. What graphic format do the people wanting to buy expect to get?
They want it in a zip file and in vector files.
They are going to likely desire to have an AI file, an EPS, and or a bitmap of some sort.
You need to get a better definition from your client as to what format they desire the graphic in.
Take care, Mike
A pdf file is also a vector format that Xara can export and many programs can open.
Hi Mike - what I meant of course was that rights were reserved on all supplied material until the program was purchased, so any drawings created using any of this during the trial period, could have a problem after if the program was not purchased - guess I did'nt make that clear [and it may not have been Xara anyhow so it's moot]Quote:
Originally Posted by mwenz
EDIT: found it, taken from the xara X1 EULA:
AND THAT IS STILL IN THE CURRENT LICENSE [Section C TERM end of para] ... go figure exactly what it means :)Quote:
If you are using the trial version of the Software then any rights to use the Software or images created with it terminates with the expiration of the trial period.
Yes an EPS file is what they want how do i create that file
@handrawn--pretty vague. Simple English says any images I create *before* the trial is over can no longer be used in any fashion *after* the trial period. Which is wholly nonenforceable.
@Jbruce,
You can export from Xara to an Adobe EPS format from the export menu choice.
Successful translation of the elements from Xara format to EPS will depend upon the elements themselves and any effects that are applied to them. Some effects do not translate well. There is a couple page thread here which contains some of those issues:
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...o-EPS-problems
Take care, Mike
Jbruce
I would create a PDF or PDF/X file. If you have used any specific fonts that your client does not have, you can convert your text to editable shapes (but keep a copy of the document with the fonts not converted in case you need to edit the text).
As Frances mentioned, a PDF document will include all vector objects and can be imported and edited in Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop.
An EPS file is not intended to be edited. EPS files are intended to be "placed" in publishing applications such as InDesign and QuarkXPress, and output for printing.
Unlike PDFs which are being suggested, EPS files *are* / *were* meant to be edited. PDFs have never been, never intended to be, an editable format--PDFs were intended to be fixed and final formats. That some applications *can* open them for editing to a degree of success ranging from not well to quite well is immaterial.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwpriester
There are still many, many vendors of clipart and customers who insist upon receiving EPS files. And unfortunately, customers who insist upon a given format often cannot be persuaded to move to another format.
What I would suggest to Jbruce is to find out what application the customer is desiring to edit the design with. And comply with the customer's desire.
Take care, Mike
I don't use a trial version, I have bought the Xara program, and I am trying to learn the ins and outs. I am new at this whole computer graphics thing but I hand draw pretty well, Trying to incorporate the hand drawn and the computer graphic thing so I can sell this design I created but I don't understand file source and EPS and all this other computer jargon. I have been offered 500 dollars for this design/Logo but he wants full access to the file so he can edit text and colors if need be. Example how do i make a zip folder that he wants and how do I make it an EPS vector File. Also I have saved my drawing in a master file so if I can turn that into a ZIP that will probably be fine right.
Have you drawn your design within your Xara application? If not it may not be entirely vector which is what the buyer will be expecting. You can export your Xara vector drawing to EPS (Encapsulated PostScript) format then place it within a .zip file.
Since you are new to graphics I would recommend you to select one of the members that have posted some assistance and have them review your work before you submit it to the buyer.
Mike I think you might have answered my question but I dont understand how to convert to a PDF file. Can I do this as I export the file.
Mike an eps file was not meant to be edited it was designed to be used as a graphic file. The DSC (Document Structuring Conventions) required a bounding box to be included in a postscript document so it could be inserted within another postscript file for layout similar to how a raster image could be positioned within a layout.
QuarkXpress and InDesign came along afterward and used the encapsulated ability to their advantage.
I'll leave this thread alone after this comment. As I told someone in a PM a few minutes ago, I fully understand what EPS and PDF file formats are and their intended usage. Tell that to the thousand or so graphic exchange/sale sites. Some are slowly moving towards AI and PDF, Corel and other file formats.
Re Bounding boxes. EPS, AI or PDF makes no difference. They all contain bounding boxes (and other "boxes"). So? This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The topic at hand is a person's customer wants an EPS file. So export the file out as an EPS file. Take a little time to educate the customer as one complies with their request. Likely the customer has some recent version of AI. Perhaps not, but I would suspect so.
Best regards. Mike
After going through all the post I have been able to figure out what I have to do. Thank you all for your time and assistance in this matter, I have successfully submitted the required PDF and EPS documents to the buyer.
great - that's good to hear :)
There seems some confusion between EPS and PDF.
As Jbruce indicated, his client wanted an EPS file so that his client could edit the file. If Jbruce sent the client an EPS file, the client may have her or his work cut our for him or her.
I created a document with a simple two color gradient fill and a short line of text in Georgia. I exported the document first as an EPS file and then as a PDF file and opened both files in Illustrator CS5.5 It might be different in CS6 but these were my results.
First I attempted to open the EPS file in Designer Pro X. I received the error message shown in the attachments. Xara it would seem is incapable of opening its own EPS file. And as the warning dialog indicates, it is a renderable EPS file and not intended to be edited.
I opened the EPS version in Illustrator and viewed it in Outline view. The text was incorrectly mapped and the simple gradient fill was broken into 256 individual steps. While a client could edit the colors in the gradient fill, it would have to be done one color at a time. If this EPS file were "placed" in a PostScript language application such as Adobe InDesign or Quark XPress, then it would output correctly to a PostScript enabled device. This is what the EPS file format was designed to do.
I closed the EPS and opened the PDF file in Illustrator. The gradient file remained a simple editable two color gradient and the text was the correct size and font and I was able to edit the text.
Conclusion: If you need to provide an editable file to a client, I would strongly suggest PDF, which is the basis for Adobe Illustrator's native file format and meant for a variety of uses including editing.
If my client wanted the image for commercial output, I would still recommend PDF.
I always send PDFs. I had a printer argue with me not so long ago because he wanted an AI or an AI/EPS. He was unaware Illustrator could open PDF and then he himself could create whatever the hell he wanted to with it.
I also never send embedded fonts. I always convert text to shapes. That way it's me that does any editing meaning, a) an idiot printer cannot mess up my design (happens often enough to be common) b) the client comes to me for all edits (it's all about control).
I have had the occasional client argue with me over this policy but, if you think about it, it makes sense (unless the client is a penny-pinching scrooge, to whom nothing that requires spending money makes sense).
That does make sense, and I told my client that after he payed for my design I would make any corrections for a minimal price and I do mean minimal. First time I ever sold something i Drew so I was excited enough to help him because he surely helped me.
We all have to start somewhere and your offer sounds both wise and generous.
CS 5.1 (there is no CS 5.5 Illustrator). Created in XDP8, opened in AI. You can see the gradient is intact, the text is the Minion Pro I defined in Xara. There is a message about updating the text. Mapped fine.
Mike
Attachment 91963
ROFL
Mike - Did you export a Xara EPS file or an Illustrator .ai file?
And did you try to import it back into Xara?
Yep, seems the forum doesn't accept display of EPS files, Frank. Which, the Xara file is also so named, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Frank
Mike
Gary,
As I mentioned in the thread, the Xara file was exported to an EPS file and opened in Illy. There is no need to bring it back into Xara when one has the original XAR file...As well, the customer didn't ask for a XAR file and the issue was supplying said customer an EPS (and evidently) a PDF.
For what it is worth, the export setting of AI/EPS in Xara simply produces an identical file. Just the extension is changed.
As for importing back into Xara, sure, here it is. And yes, Xara doesn't recognize its own noted font resource in its EPS files. No worries, Xara makes it easy peasey to alter undefined fonts.
Take care, Mike
Can you attach your Xara originated .eps file? It seems peculiar that two almost identical files from the same program can produce such entirely different results.