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Sizing in Xara xtreme driving me nuts!
Hi folks,
strange one this, ive just started using xara x version 5.
Whenever i try to open an PNG image file i have which is 330 x 100 pixels (shows up fine in windows explorer, paint etc ats 330 x 100), Xara seems to open it with different dimensions.
If i click on the selector tool, then back on the image the sizes show up on the toolbar are 440 x 133 pixels, so you can see the image is larger than normal.
I have tried to export it again as 330 x 100 and i cant seem to do so, it settles for 330 x 101 which obviously looks odd on the page of my website as there is one pixel out.
I just want to open it and edit it and save it all at the original size of 330 x 100 but xara wont let me.
any ideas, im pulling my hair out !
:confused:
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Your source PNG is likely 72dpi rather than the standard Windows 96dpi.
Xtreme is accurately displaying it by the resolution, where Explorer isn't.
Manually sizing via the control bar to 330 x 100 then exporting from Xtreme at 96dpi will work fine.
Sometimes it's quick to view and then reset the dpi to 96 in IrfanView (under Image Information), then save.
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Your not going mad. Your original images are being saved at 72 ppi rather than the PC standard 96 ppi, thus the change in dimensions. Open the bitmap gallery and it will show you that it's a 72 ppi image.
EDIT: Two answers from opposite sides of the world all within one minute!
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cheers guys ill give that a try
:(
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"Open the bitmap gallery and it will show you that it's a 72 ppi image"
yes i can see that, but i dont have infran view, how do i change it to recognise it at the 72dpi 330 x 100 size again please ?
thanks
M
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You can choose how Xtreme imports bitmaps in Options>>View
Set to 'Import at dpi specified in the file' See if that helps.
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no worries ive downloaded Infranview
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ok its not quite over yet, i managed to install Infranview and resize the DPI to 96 save the image and open it again in Xara.
I have also noticed, the image is being opened as a slightly lighter shade than the original file......how do i reset this ?
:confused:
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Originally Posted by
aicoma
I have also noticed, the image is being opened as a slightly lighter shade than the original file......how do i reset this ?
:confused:
Lighter shade than??
I know PaintShopProX2 has it's own screen gamma settings, but Xtreme doesn't.
What are you comparing to?
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well when i save the newly amended logo and pop it back on my local web site on my pc, the shade is slightly lighter than before i made any changes, and i have not adjusted any of the brightness/contrast settings in Xara...bit strange.
M
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Let me see if i can attach an image
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so now hopefully you can see the logo with the writing at the top left, is slightly lighter in shade than the rest of the (green) banner.
Apologies for posting the image twice.
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Images look the same in Xtreme as everywhere else except PSPX2 here.
Have you set 'Simulate Print Colors' as your default template by any chance?
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Originally Posted by
aicoma
so now hopefully you can see the logo with the writing at the top left, is slightly lighter in shade than the rest of the (green) banner.
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I'm not sure how you have acheived this, so it's hard to comment - but in situations like yours, I have never had an issue with colour matching an image that sits over an existing bg image.
Can you post your .xar file and the banner file?
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Sure, let me check a couple of things first, make sure im not losing it !
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Ok here is the original blank logo
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And this is after ive updated it in Xara:
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wait, i think i know what caused the lighter shade, when i changed the dpi in Infranview to 96 instead of 72 and saved as a png file, it appears to have lightened the tone slightly.
Not sure why....
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Looks like you have exported your result from Xtreme as 256 colour PNG instead of True Color.
Here's my quick attempt with your 72dpi file (converted)
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thanks for trying, but that one is still the same, ie a bit lighter than the orignal.
:cool:
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it definately seems to be infranview that is saving it with a lighter hue, ill have a play around with the save options in there.
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hmmm i might just have to live with it, it seems no matter how i try to save the file in Infranview with 96dpi, it lightens the shade.
Oh well, thanks for all your help guys, im off to bed now and will have another look tomorrow,
thanks again.
:o
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Originally Posted by
aicoma
thanks for trying, but that one is still the same, ie a bit lighter than the orignal.
:cool:
Sorry - but it's no lighter at all here.
Don't forget that it's also a graduated tile. The colours left-to-right do not match.
They might not match the rest of the banner either?
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"Sorry - but it's no lighter at all here."
hmmm when i loaded on the web site it was, im a bit confused as to whats happening now !
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Hi
Irfanview is a very simple and fast imagebrowser, in the last version, 4.25
under options - settings you can adjust the gamma, which you should do.
Remind, this is not a photoshop-similar programm. To my opinion you should better use Gimp to change the settings of the images from 72 dpi to 96 dpi.
I made combinations of all kind of programms and they just happen to have their own ideas of what is the right color . . .
Regards,
Jan
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Originally Posted by
sledger
You can choose how Xtreme imports bitmaps in Options>>View
Set to 'Import at dpi specified in the file' See if that helps.
Hmm - this thread is helpful for a similar problem I'm having but I don't see the radio buttons on the Utlilities > Options > View tab.
Is it not available in my version - XXPro 4?
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Hi Doc,
It is there only worded a little differently.
Untick the Import JPEGs at 96dpi (1:1) to allow the import to take place at the files default dpi. See attached image.
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it seems no matter how i try to save the file in Infranview with 96dpi, it lightens the shade.
You are very likely being bitten by the dreaded gAMA chunk.
That is: some software saves PNGs with embedded gamma-curve colour correction information in an attempt to match colours over different systems. Unfortunately, operating systems commonly in use don't really do colour correction, so attempts to apply gamma in this fashion result in results which are not only wrong, but inconsistent. In particular, PNGs saved with a gAMA chunk cannot be made to match a colour set in HTML or CSS on all browsers. For the web, you should always save your PNGs without any gamma information.
Xtreme has done the right thing and saved your 'logo_PROD' without gamma. However the original image - and hence presumably all the other images which are supposed to match it - have been exported with a gAMA by some other misguided tool, and this will, in some circumstances, operating systems, settings and browsers, cause inconsistent results. For what it's worth the colours match on my current setup, but that's by pure luck.
You should go through your existing PNGs and re-export them with gamma turned off to match both the Xtreme-exported image and other colours on the page. I don't know if Irfan gives you that option; if not, I personally use GIMP. You could also do it in a batch method using something like pngcrush.
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Hi Bill - and voila - thanks for the pointer.