Maybe it's better for you to wait until the next main version before upgrading to the pro version? At least it'll give you time to save up the pennies.
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Ok, I purchased X1, then upgraded to Xtreme from there. I stopped there. Didn't go to ver 3. I thought I might until I saw the X3D bundle and the $170 price. I did log in with my account info. That's how it calculated my price. I also noticed that an upgrade from my older X1 or Xtreme are the same price. And I can upgrade an older version of Freehand I have cheaper than those.
I purchased Xtreme Pro in April and unlike some others I feel an upgrade is worth $49... Whats holding me back from upgrading?
Quoting from the first post in this thread
Upgrading:..........For Xtreme Pro users this is a smaller upgrade (from version 3.0 to 3.2) and some may decide not to upgrade and wait for the next update.
$49 two months after I just purchased is a bit too much for me if I am going to have to pay again for the next upgrade... I'll wait patiently
As Pro owner i have been reading the various threads on the subject but just want to add what is holding me back from upgrading:
" For Xtreme Pro users this is a smaller upgrade (from version 3.0 to 3.2) and some may decide not to upgrade and wait for the next update"
$49 isn't really that much but as it says only for "a smaller upgrade". So what's the price of future 'real' upgrades going to be?
"Xara3D 6 included (sold separately for $45).... "
Feel they should have given this smaller upgrade for free for all users of Pro
or giving users the choice to a 3.2 upgrade without Xara3D6 for a real nice price.
Well, nice upgrades. Mark me disappointed though: still missing the two features i most need to move from Corel Draw.
I avidly adopted Xara in version 1.5 several years ago, when supervising designers at a sign shop in Houston, Tx. We followed the actions of Corel buying into, using and then suppressing Xara's many innovative technologies.
Were sad to see it become a hard to find for purchase ghost for quite some time, only available in clipart collections.
We could do things in Xara that would take twice the number of dialogs and klunky entry methods in Corel draw and the video help files could not be beat for training new users. We were missing a few tools back then that made us keep Corel draw for some tasks, while others could not be beat.
For the great big Kudo: searchable clip art. We found clipart collections to be nearly useless without a searchable index. We would pore over printed catalogs of cheap stock art, and end up scrapping them because xara could search for font styles and clip art internally in the program. We no longer needed an external library manager with searching like Thumbs Plus.
Number one need then was a contour tool, very useful when cutting vinyl on plotters.
It finally came along after two more versions. The other two i'm still waiting on:
Dimension tools, and Spell Checker.
Spell checking prevents the printers worst nightmare: 5,000 copies of a misspelled word going off the press.
dimension tools we worked around by making reusable graphic blocks, but they have a problem. during constant revision, they don't follow size changes of the objects and have to be manually edited. Creating a chance for typos that go to the production shop and create waste in cut materials that don't fit.
I'm telling you, I'd never suggest to others or use another drawing program if Xara could add dimensioning and spell checking.
Otherwise, i found little about the upgrade that would make me more efficient. Many of the additions i've already worked around, like customising the menu with a paste attributes button.
So keep up the excellent work. In an age of horribly bloated programs yours is still a gem. For example, i just went to test the new CS3 lineup from Adobe. Horrible. takes up twice the disc space and requires twice the memory of the CS2 models with little or no improvement in functionality and quite a lot of added bugs. We call this progress?
I must say, xara has always been amazingly fast and leaves a small footprint for all its features.
Dimensioning and Spell checker, you've beat Corel draw and all the others to their knees.
Hey ripcobalt, welcome to TalkGraphics.
No idea what dimension tools are but counting on a vector program for your spelling needs wouldn't be the best idea...
Hi Folks,
Recently I found that in Xara XtremePro .2 it is impossible to change Zoom Factor manually by typing the Zoom Value in to the Zoom Factor filed.
I tried to do itseveral times in diferent ways but without success.
Please fix it soon it makes work difficult.
Otherwise I am during exploring new features and I am very glad to see
the Zoom Scroll function for mouse.
Actualy I have programmed my PowerMate wheel to work as a Zoom tool and it works fine.
Cheers!
Pawel ;)
Thanks to the Xara Outsider for pointing me to this forum. I too am extremely disappointed with Xara's 'upgrade' offer. In the last few months I have upgraded to Xtreme Pro and bought Xara3d and to be asked for $54 plus VAT is an insult.
I wrote to support 6 days ago asking for fair play but haven't received a reply. Even NeilH (14 June) admits that Pro is only a few months old and owners might not want to upgrade so soon. Of course owners would prefer the best version but not at any price.
If everything in this thread is to be believed then Magix, whose products I have no interest in, have a lot to answer for. I never thought it was a good idea but had to give them the benefit of the doubt until they proved themselves - one way or the other. The original Artworks/Xara team must be cringing to know that their hard one customer base and all their efforts to provide a friendly user interface have been severely tarnished by this one act of greed. The number of very upset people and those with reservations on this thread show how many have been alienated by this unfair move; especially those who have already bought Xara3d.
I am voting with pocket. I won't be upgrading. :mad:
Good one Xara!:D
Thought this thread could do with some positive vibes to offset the inevitable few negatives;)
Thanks for a great upgrade!
I too got all the upgrade offers. At this time I will not be upgrading. My use of the program is non professional, I am just a user that can get by with what I have which is Xtreme Pro. I can wait for a better deal. GT
Welcome HarrierMan,
I think that is a very honest statement from Xara. It's stating that dependent on the owners use of the program they may decide to skip this upgrade if they think there's not enough in it for them.Quote:
Even NeilH (14 June) admits that Pro is only a few months old and owners might not want to upgrade so soon.
Xara had fallen into a rut whereby there was no release between (If my memory serves me correctly) X1 and Xtreme for over 2 years. The user base was begining to despair of Xara's future.
To fund development, Xara needs revenue. Without the revenue Xtreme development will stutter and finaly stop.
For myself I always have XXPro and Flash open on my computer. XX is used daily, normally over several hours per day. Therefore I consider the upgrade (and ongoing development) very good value for money. Perhaps someone as an occasional user thinks differently, for completely valid reasons and chooses to skip an upgrade.
Flash has recently been upgraded from Flash 8 to Flash 9. Because the main upgrades are closer linking/working with other Adobe products and not a lot else I've decided to skip this Flash upgrade (a mere £163!) as I'm not a lover over overpriced Adobe products.
Now re Magix ..... Only be glad Adobe didn't buy out Xara!
I agree with much of what you say and I'm very pleased that Xara is being developed. Xara do indeed need revenue to make this happen and like most companies they will want to maximise the return on their investment. This means pricing at a point where the majority of people will, in this case, upgrade.
Xara admit that many people will choose not to upgrade this time, meaning that the few who do want the extra features are paying over the odds. To sweeten the pill, Xara has thrown in Xara3d and if you haven't got this program (and want it) then the upgrade price is reasonable. However, if, like me, a customer has recently purchased Xara3d and has no specific need for the new features but would normally upgrade to have the latest version, then the upgrade is very expensive.
I don't have access to Xara's sales figures but based partly on the comments in this forum, my judgement is that Xara have got it wrong this time and not only lost $s but also alienated a significant number of their loyal customer base. Not a good business model.
Thank goodness though, as you say, Adobe didn't buy Xara. They redefine greed when you realise that they are selling Creative Suite 3 Master Collection for £800 more in the UK than they sell it for in the US! (Source: PC Pro August 2007)
Yes, a lot of people are unhappy with Adobe. In the past I used to get some good deals from macromedia - haven't tried that with Adobe!
Problem here with the Xara3D sweetener is that a lot of people (myself included) had this freebie when they upgraded to Xtreme Pro 3.0. If I had more work coming in right now I'd probably upgrade, just to support the software development, but currently I'm watching the pennies and there's not enough in the upgrade at that price to pull me in.
Paul
For what it's worth, I'll pay for an upgrade when Xara has the ability to either wrap text around objects or have multi-sided text boxes so I can wrap manually.
Since this upgrade offers neither, I'm going to pass -- especially since I already own 3D6.
.joroho.
I was going to upgrade so I would have the latest version. But Netbanx always refuses my card. :mad:
The reason for the failure was:
Failed Transaction:mad:
Please check your details again, making sure you have the correct number and expiry date and try again. Xara Online currently only accepts Visa, Mastercard and AmEx. If this still doesn't work and you believe the information is correct, please contact your bank, who will be able to advise you of the reason for the Decline. Note that some banks do not authorize online transactions with overseas companies without the cardholders specific permission, others limit the number of online transactions - cardholders are often not aware of these policies.:mad:
I tried my card again this morning and no luck. So I thought I would try a different card and the it worked. So I now have latest version. And I am happy about that:D , though I dont understand why my other credit card did not work?
Well Im keen on paying anything right now just to get the damn thing to work on my pc!!!!!!:D :)
windows 64bit Vista, hello anyone out there? I`m dying to use my software again.
Ive asked the question several times in the forum with no response, I guess I dont command the respect yet to get my questions answered,
and by reading all these comments it looks like Magix have their hands full fixing bugs let alone fully test a 64bit version.
Maybe someone can throw me a general month when it would be ready, I dont need a specific day, I just need the hope that its coming. I have to decide whether I should spend some time really getting into illustrator as backup. I`d rather use Xara.
Ive mentioned previously the glitches in xara pro on 64bit vista start when using the edge feathering tool, after that most tools dont function too well, quick shape, text tool, drawing lines, all just appear as outlines.
I havent tried using Pro too long on vista64 but it seems that things are generally ok until I use the edge feather then try using other tools. If someone else is using 64bit with success let me know and I`ll just rip out the guts of this system and re install it;)
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If they would take the X3D add on out and reduce the price accordingly for those of us who already have X3D . . . I might just bite! :D
Bundling the two, XPro and X3D, isn't a bad idea for new customers, it's just plain stupid to do to those of us long time Xara product users who already have X3D as well as several other Xara products! :eek:
I also think the $170 upgrade is to steep! Xara use to send out reasonable upgrade offers, which kept me upgrading and loyal. Come on Xara (Magix), reward your loyal customers, don't stick it to us!
Could we just try to ease down on the negative comments.
It must be very frustrating for MarkyJ to have purchased the software and not have it running. Positive feedback from the few users of the 64bit community is what's required.