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Re: RoundHead: the fonts and the PDF keyfinder
I, Larry E. Leiker, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, RoundHeadtg.otf and RoundHeadtg.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
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Larry E. Leiker, USA
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Thanks Larry.
I have found that some of the punctuation period, comma etc is below the baseline which doesn't look right. So far I have found period, comma, semi colon, colon. there could well be more.
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Best of luck correcting this, Frances, because the period aligns perfectly with the uppercase characters.
Okay, if we assume that a period comes at the end of a sentence, chances are good that the preceding character will be lowercase, right?
The overall problem is that the UC and the lc share different baselines.
Tell you what: if you come to an agreement here, it would be fairly easy for me to correct the punctuation relative to lowercase. I'll do the period, comma, colon and semicolon right now and you see what else is wonky.
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I, Bill Taylor as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, RoundHeadTG. otf and RoundHeadTG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Bill Taylor, United States of America
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I'm still a bit under the weather and my mind isn't working very well (not that unusual for me).
How would we classify this font? It is not a decorative font as the Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG font.
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An antique sans serif headline font?
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That sounds good to me Gary.
The exclamation mark and the question mark again don't look quite right with the lower case letters, how ever they do look fine with the UC. Not sure if this one is fixable? Unless lowercase friendly versions could be mapped to un-used spots?
single and double quotes seem a little too high for lowercase letters, would these be better aligned to lower case? On this one I'm not sure :confused:
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Want all of my 30-seconds of thought on the baseline alignment issue? Seeing how I cannot hear the screams of No!, here tis.
I don't know whether there is actually a single baseline but the LC characters are raised above it, or if the UC are lowered from the font's baseline, or ? So take the following as it is: comments from a place of ignorance concerning this font's construction.
If I were making this font, I would place all LC letters on the font's baseline. I would align all punctuation in relation to the LC characters.
But here is where I don't know how the two "baselines" were incorporated. I would opt to have the UC characters' bottoms align near (or at) the descender location.
Now resuming my hiding...Mike
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Let me see if all the punctuations you're talking about here can't be moved to lowercase baseline alignment.
I'm supposing we don't quite have a font yet, eh? :(
And no, I advise against adding characters to accommodate uppercase punctuation.
First, that is amateurish design. Second, it won't work unless you're prepared to get rid of some characters.
Why not call "time out" right now and gather opinions on how to move this to the finish line, Frances.
But don't "cope". Think it out. Perhaps all the caps would look good aligned to a cap height consistent with the character height of some of the l/c characters such as "t", "l" and so on...
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Just a thought. It would solve some problems, and it's sort of a fresh 'n' funky look.
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Thanks Gary that sounds perfect. The ChangeLog.txt is attached.
Frances the exclamation mark and question mark are typically the same size as the uppercase characters. That is how they are within the existing fonts Gary has post.
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Originally Posted by
mwenz
Want all of my 30-seconds of thought on the baseline alignment issue? Seeing how I cannot hear the screams of No!, here tis.
I don't know whether there is actually a single baseline but the LC characters are raised above it, or if the UC are lowered from the font's baseline, or ? So take the following as it is: comments from a place of ignorance concerning this font's construction.
If I were making this font, I would place all LC letters on the font's baseline. I would align all punctuation in relation to the LC characters.
But here is where I don't know how the two "baselines" were incorporated. I would opt to have the UC characters' bottoms align near (or at) the descender location.
Now resuming my hiding...Mike
Can we see an example, Mike?
Can you tear up a line of text in Xara, using the baseline adjustments?
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Hi Gary,
Actually, I *thought* what I was suggesting was what you are showing in the image you added--we might have been responding at the same time:
http://www.talkgraphics.com/attachme...1&d=1335736754
Take care, Mike
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Okay, got it.
If anyone/everyone can chill for 24 hours, I'll align the cap heights to the character heights, and then see how the punctuations fall.
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That sounds good to me.
So far we have releases from Bill, Gary, Larry, and I If you helped in anyway we need your release :)
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In answer to your question - yes all releases need to be in before the font can be released. In the future is probably a good idea to have folks submit a release at the beginning of the project rather than at the end. See -- we'll get a system going yet to make the paperworkish stuff easy peasy so we can concentrate on the fun stuff.
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Sorry for the delay, I wasn't sure if I had the right one, so I was waiting for someone to prompt me!
I, Michele Mowat as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG. otf and Celebrated Burgeon Ornaments TG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Michele Mowat, Australia
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I did make a mistake in placement.
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I agree Barbara, for future projects we should try to get the releases done as each person volunteers.
Thanks Michelle. That leaves Fred and Christine
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Actually my stuff wasn't used as Fred did a much better job.
Christine
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Hi Christine, you still participated and I believe Bill said he was going to try to use glyphs from everyone who contributed so I think you should still post a release. Please :D I also believe even if none of your glyphs were used you deserve recognition for your contribution just like the rest of us.
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Re: RoundHead: the fonts and the PDF keyfinder
I, Christine Farrelly as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, RoundHeadTG. otf and RoundHeadTG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Christine Farrelly (England)
Michelle you have the wrong font name...
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I, Michele Mowat as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, RoundHeadTG. otf and RoundHeadTG.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute the Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Michele Mowat. Australia
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Re: The tg Font Collaboration Thread
G'mornin',
Sorry for the delay.
I, Fred Coote, as a contributor to the project undertaken by a group in the TalkGraphics.com Fonts and Typography Forum, to create the following fonts, RoundHeadtg.otf and RoundHeadtg.ttf, grant a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable copyright license to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, and distribute [the] Contributions I made to the work and such derivative works.
I understand that this is a license agreement only; it does not transfer copyright ownership and does not change my rights to use the artwork I contributed for any other purpose.
Fred Coote, USA
Just tried the font Bill posted. Should we be concerned about the kerning relative to the original layout (bitmaps Gare posted)?
It needs about 50-60 ems between letters to match.
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Hi Fred—
Um, this entire typeface is in the works, kerning, everything.
Bull, contact me if you think you have the free time to pull the cap heights down to the character heights.
In order for punctuation to work, all the caps need to be aligned and flush with the character height.
I've devoted three hours this morning, and I'm up to the extended characters now.
THEN comes metrics, THEN kerning.
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Thanks everyone! I think we have all the releases now. Christine, thanks, that was a good catch on Michelle's release having the wrong font name.
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Gary if the cap heights are pulled down to the character height the font will no long look the same as in the original image and be less appealing in my opinion.
In post #137 of this thread I posted an image showing where I had made mistakes of vertical placement for lower case and punctuation. I would prefer to correct those things and increase the character's cell width according to Mike's post.
I will go along with what everyone would prefer.
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Gare
...Um, this entire typeface is in the works, kerning, everything...
:oops OK, a step at a time; I'm learning as we go.
I agree with Bill on not changing the cap height to retain the 'look'.
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I agree with Bill and Fred. I have a question though, why are there two different Capital E's? One is round and one is square. Is this an option to pick which one?
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The original images has two different Es Larry. The E with angles is the primary and the rounded is an Alternate.
Gary do you know how to rename the cell's associated with a glyph? Every time I try it deletes the glyph.
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While I too would like to retain the cap height and the original look, I feel it's important the the punctuation is correctly aligned. So if the original height can be kept and the punctuation correctly aligned that would be great, but if we have to choose between correctly aligned punctuation and the original cap height then I think the punctuation alignment gets my vote.
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Frances check the attached image and let me know if the punction needs more tweeks.
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That's looking good to me.
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Thanks Frances.
Fred, go UT. :D
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Bill I am looking over your image and The exclamation mark I made does not look good (my fault), could you round just the top so it looks better please. I kept it flat so it matched the other verticals but seeing it with the other gliphs it looks wrong. So I was thinking the top if that particular character should be round like the question mark. Is that something you can easily do, or do I need me to remake that one. As far as the rest of the punctuation it looks good with the lower case letters but not with the Caps however changing anything would change the look of the font too much. This will show my ignorance but I wonder about creating an alternate punctuation set to go with the capital letters only? I say this because If all caps are needed then the punctuation needs to fit them, your A.S.A.P. is a case in point.
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Forget what I said about the exclamation mark. It looks good like it is.
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Ahhhh... OK Larry. I'm getting very good at forgetting things. It becomes easier the older I become. ;)
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I know what you mean Bill.
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Please test the fonts within the attached .zip (otf & ttf).
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