Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
Personally, I've never seen ANY major piece of software that doesn't require workarounds. I've never seen one antivirus that catches everything, I've not seen any adware remover that catches everything. I've used photoshop and I know that it will do things Paint Shop Pro won't do. I also know that Paint Shop Pro will do things that the grossly overpriced Photoshop won't do. I've been using computers since 1980 and I've always had to have various similar applications that do slightly different things. Every professional that I've known (and there have been a few) has used several pieces of software to accomplish tasks.
Having said that, I'll say that I neither love nor hate Xara products so I think I'm unbiased. I've seen a few things I don't like about Xara but then I've seen things I don't like about every piece of software I've ever used. If only I ruled the world things would be done my way; but then everybody would find problems with what I wanted. It's an imperfect world full of imperfect things, As far as I know, we're free to use any software we want so why gripe about Xara? Simply uninstall it and forget that it exists.
regarding the aggressive tone of writing, people tell me that I write like I'm mad too, which I do but I can control it IF I want to, as I suspect most other people can too. The point is that a lot of people who post things in forums or chat do so because they want to be right. I came here from yahoo chat, where I'm well hated by a lot of people because I take a stand on what I believe, as I think everybody should (not hate me but take a stand). I had hoped this wouldn't be another snake pit where everybody stabs everybody every chance they get. I'm glad there are moderators here that have sense enough to maintain some civility and order. My last line is, if people don't like Xara, don't use it, bashing the company won't serve any useful purpose. I bought it because I need a vector based drawing application and Xara does that wonderfully. Sorry that was so long.
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
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Originally Posted by
Risto Klint
Well, in this case it was (VERY) clarified a few posts down - in posts 15 to 18, and 12 and 13... Sometimes TG members/moderators misfire... It was fixed, wasn't it?
TIME is not limitless... PURPOSE is subjective...
Hence there are moderators to keep things OT. YOU want one thing... and other members (and visitiors/lurkers) want something all together different... In the middle there are moderators trying to keep things running smoothly...
No moderator here is paid a cent! Everyone volunteers their time (as time permits). Why not trust that moderators (TG members) are doing their best? Surely you don't think that Egg and Soquili are scum sucking slime... Dude, if you haven't noticed --- they unselfishly help people along every single day...
Time is precious... Informing everyone about every single edit takes more time than anyone has... Seriously!
No... It`s just moderation.
AND... you were completely wrong... (it happens on occasion - when a thread is not really read)... If any one member has an issue with a thread being closed (or what have you) - email any of us - it willl be looked at. Really! There is no skating by anything here - all actions taken are looked at.
Risto
I disagree with everything you said. If a moderator has the time to lock a thread, he/she also has time to input the reason.
Yes, of course I was wrong - for the reasons I already stated.
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
I agree with you, Jon. In addition, responses like the one you received make the mods look like immature children, protecting their territory. While I am sure they aren't, that is what it comes across as.
I was under the impression that moderation involved steering the conversation. Is there anything wrong with making the statement, "If this thread continues any further along these lines, it will be locked?" before locking it? That doesn't seem to be happening.
All said, TG's boards are still excellent, in my opinion.
David
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
I cannot comment on whether xara the company is either lost or lazy.
Some long term users of xara can be lazy and get a little lost though :D
They can use the program for several years without realising the simplist of things, which as like as not means they never bothered to read the help files, or at the very least watch the help movies.
Some of these users I am sure have the mind set that all programs should 'function the same way' so they don't have to bother.
They will probably tell you they are far too busy getting on with what really needs to be done.
Which brings me back neatly to xara the company........
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
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Soquili
If this thread is going to become a pissing contest I will simply close it.
Expressing my opinion. I had hoped we were all adults and could go without making personal remarks about an individual.
Jon maybe you did not realise that I had closed the thread when I made the quoted post. I did say why I was closing the thread. At that point it appeared to me that people were going to start slinging slurs rather than having a discussion.
Moderators can post to closed threads. Sledger and Gary did not notice the thread was closed in their post immediately after mine.
Perhaps no one understood or read my post:
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Originally Posted by Soquili
Eobet is only expressing his concern not trying to belittle Xara or anyone that uses the program.
Please respect his right to express his thoughts.
I was trying to steer the thread back to a discussion but by post #10 an individual thought he had the right to sling a slur. That is when I closed the thread.
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
I saw it Bill - it was clear at the time - then Steve [sledger] and Gary's posts confused things a little ;)
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
If it had been worded "As this seems to be becoming a pissing contest, I am closing this thread," it would have been clear.
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
Unfortunately we cannot always word our intentions to suit everyones tastes.
However, having said this, if this thread does not return to topic or continues with opinions about moderation/moderators and administrator 'modus operandi' - this thread will very likey be closed permanently.
Thank you
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
Oh brother, here we go again. (Not you steve as you posted right above me.) :)
I think each of us views Xara through our own professional perspective. The hobbyist wants to doodle and have fun, the print designer wants to create logos, brochures, etc., the web designer wants the Flash and image slicing, and the artist wants to use a tablet and draw with xara as they would a paint brush or pencil.
I think we've been over the features we all feel are critical - http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthread.php?t=28407 :)
Xara has a following and niche. They are not, and I don't think they would claim they are, everything to all the professional types I mention above. They try to fold in the common tools they believe each might find most useful. I think they have done a pretty good job. As a professional, and not an amateur, I don't expect that it will be all things to me. I'm sure we each have areas we believe they could improve.
[deleted my own comments about us loyal amateurs in order to stay on topic]
As for my self, I own and run a design company with several people working for me as well the occasional contractor. I consider myself professional although I might not be the designer of the moment. I'm extremely busy and rarely have time to look through TG. I give two thumbs up to the mods for as much time as they devote to TG.
Just note though, it's one thing to make an analysis of Xara the company and the Xtreme product. It's quite another to make it personal by jabbing at the community of users. Let's keep it civil.
Re: Is Xara Ltd not only lost, but also lazy?
Xara will never please everyone and if every wish for it was implemented - if that were even possible - the program would be yet another piece of bloatware. I'm sure Charles Moir takes heed of these wish-lists, I think we ought to let him get on with it. He's not done too badly in a competitive market up to now has he? Although I can understand Obet's point I don't really see CM rubbing his hands in glee because people on TG are saving him hassle by using their brains to create work-arounds for shortcomings to which all programs are prone.
As has been stated, if someone doesn't want to upgrade they don't have to - unlike some other programs Xara doesn't mysteriously degrade :)
PS "I give two thumbs up to the mods for as much time as they devote to TG. Just note though, it's one thing to make an analysis of Xara the company and the Xtreme product. It's quite another to make it personal by jabbing at the community of users. Let's keep it civil."
Agree totally :)
John